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Re:Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana by Ihmahr on Sunday June 23, 2013 @01:12PM (#5928345)
> His countries of aid so far (China, Russia, possibly Cuba) have a similarly poor record.

How poor is their record (including foreign policy) compared with the US?

Re:Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana by wazoox on Sunday June 23, 2013 @01:25PM (#5928418)
Honestly, China and Russia fare extremely bad. Cuba has been better these last few years, but still is a single party undemocratic regime. Venezuela OTOH seems quite reasonable.
Re:Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana by pmelendez on Sunday June 23, 2013 @03:37PM (#5929061)
"Venezuela OTOH seems quite reasonable."

Venezuelan here, and I can tell you that there is nothing reasonable about Venezuela these days. The big scandal here is that USA citizens had been monitored without a warrant but in Venezuela government agencies had been doing that for years and without any shame.

They had shown in national TV, audio recordings of phone conversations just to embarrass people that are no pro-government (nothing relating to felonies or crimes, just to make fun of them). So it is ironic indeed.

Re:Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana by wazoox on Sunday June 23, 2013 @04:38PM (#5929344)
This doesn't seem worse than what's happening in the USA (monitoring... just about everybody; keeping hundreds of political prisoners at Gitmo for 12 years and counting) or Europe (UK government spying on... just everyone; or the countless robberies and abuse of power of Sarkozy, Berlusconi and friends).
Re:Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana by pmelendez on Sunday June 23, 2013 @05:39PM (#5929611)
It is worse in the sense that the have no shame to hide it, at least in the US was a secret. On the other hand, it is ironic to do what he did and then escape to a country where freedom conditions are way worse.
Re:Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana by cmsmith on Sunday June 23, 2013 @03:43PM (#5929087)
Poor. [1, 2] Pretty much everything bad that the US does, these countries do worse by an order of magnitude. We use hyperbole to compare Snowden to political prisoners in these countries, but I imagine that idea would seem pretty ridiculous to a real political prisoner in China or NK or Russia.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Democracy_Index&ol...

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_in_the_World

Re:Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana by Ihmahr on Sunday June 23, 2013 @04:13PM (#5929216)
I see reactions about (horrific!) internal problems of these countries, but does that begin to compare to 250.000 deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq?