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Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by mpyne on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @04:45PM (#5908085)
Ah, but what is freedom if I can't watch American Gladiators because I want to?

Or, in my case, what if I want a grilled cheese sandwich with tater tots instead of filet mignon and caviar? I hated Sundays on the boat because that was always "Steak & Lobster" day, and I was the one asshole who didn't like steak and didn't like lobster.

I agree that people should probably take an interest in civics. I agree that people should have the information needed to care deeply about civics, if they wish. I don't agree that people should feel compelled to care civics or anything else that Bill Hicks or any other self-righteous prententious jerk tells us to care about, any more than we should be compelled to care about what the government tells us to care about.

If the freedom to do as we please leads to people actually doing as they please, and that offends you, then perhaps freedom isn't what you were looking for in the first place.

Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by merlincorey on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @07:54PM (#5909271)
> I hated Sundays on the boat because that was always "Steak & Lobster" day, and I was the one asshole who didn't like steak and didn't like lobster.

You aren't an asshole; you're a vegetarian. I hear that's quite respectable these days. Myself, I'll have your steak and lobster - thanks!

Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by mpyne on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @08:16PM (#5909359)
I am 100% not a vegatarian. But I don't like steak, and the only seafood I like comes in pre-frozen sandwich-sized squares. Do enjoy the steak and lobster though, and let me know if you want to trade it for some pizza rolls!
Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by merlincorey on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @09:50PM (#5909690)
Pizza rolls in exchange for steak and lobster? My good sir, I will give you a fine deal, and trade you twice the weight in pizza rolls for weight of steak and lobster!
Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by contacternst on Thursday June 20, 2013 @07:43AM (#5911462)
This is the worst discussion on HN I have ever seen.
Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by merlincorey on Thursday June 20, 2013 @08:07AM (#5911527)
Well, Mr. 95 days of being here, you haven't been here very long, so let me be the first to tell you that your comment added nothing to this conversation.

I'd downvote you if I could... but I think that's why you replied.

Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by contacternst on Thursday June 20, 2013 @08:48AM (#5911703)
I commented to tell you my observance about your conversation in hopes that you wouldn't post more similar ones. That is what my commented contributed towards.

Everyone here created an account at some point. This one was created by me about 95 days ago. I see you have observed that. Very nice I guess.

Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by merlincorey on Thursday June 20, 2013 @09:37AM (#5911941)
> I commented to tell you my observance about your conversation in hopes that you wouldn't post more similar ones.

observance Noun

* The action or practice of fulfilling or respecting the requirements of law, morality, or ritual.

* An act performed for religious or ceremonial reasons.

> That is what my commented contributed towards.

Well, actually, you failed in your observance of the guidelines[1] of this website.

* Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation.

I doubt you'd have said that to me in person. You can claim on here you would, of course.

* If your account is less than a year old, please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. (It's a common semi-noob illusion.)

Your account is less than a year old, which is a threshold of some merit here.

* Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.) If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did.

I assume this applies to comments as well as submissions.

[1] http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by angersock on Thursday June 20, 2013 @08:27AM (#5911599)
Jesus wept!
Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by krichman on Thursday June 20, 2013 @12:25AM (#5910136)
But isn't that the whole point? That we're so easily distracted by objectively useless entertainment? I spent hours this week looking at pictures of cats and viewing videos of cats jumping. It was a poor use of my time.
Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by mpyne on Thursday June 20, 2013 @10:36AM (#5912299)
I would argue with "objectively useless". We are not just labor for the entrepreneurs.
Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by eli_gottlieb on Thursday June 20, 2013 @04:22PM (#5914695)
You think there are objectively useful uses for your time? I mean, ok, profitable sure, but objectively useful? That one's a religious argument.
Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by crpatino on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @05:24PM (#5908379)
>Ah, but what is freedom if I can't watch American Gladiators because I want to?

Nobody would want to watch American Gladiators if they were not made to do so. Not directly told to, but somehow... maneuvered into it. Not quite the same as the grilled cheese sandwich!!!

Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by mpyne on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @06:21PM (#5908801)
Is that really what you tell yourself? "The people aren't really that stupid, they're being influenced to watch this filth?".

And what makes you think that the same hidden influence by others isn't why I like grilled cheese?

Re:The most telling part of “1984″ is the appendix by crpatino on Thursday June 20, 2013 @05:58PM (#5915234)
You put words in my mouth, I never said stupid. If you believe that you have to be stupid so you may be influenced by other people, you have a flawed view of human mind based on XVIII century philosophy. And it is not an opinion, it is a neurological fact.

And of course you (and me) like grilled cheese sandwiches because of influence, but it might be a different kind of influence. I remember the sandwiches from my childhood and they had nothing to do with the gross multi-pound monsters presented in (sorry) Man vs Food and other glutony glorifying TV shows.

No matter how high your IQ, if you think yourself immune to any sort of influence, you have proven yourself a mark. But if you recognize the possibility of influence and learn at least a bit of the compliance techniques, you make yourself at least partially resistant.