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Re:Microsoft Announces Direct Cash Payments For Vulnerabilities by danielweber on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @02:08PM (#5907159)
What is the damage to public safety if I find a way to exploit Windows and tell Microsoft about it?
Re:Microsoft Announces Direct Cash Payments For Vulnerabilities by ihsw on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @02:12PM (#5907188)
Microsoft releases this exploit information to governments as a matter of policy, and the governments accordingly conduct clandestine operations and cyber-attacks using this exploit information.

MS is in the unique position of being the only ones able to fix the exploit so they are a single-point-of-failure, which diminishes the security of everybody using Windows operating systems.

Re:Microsoft Announces Direct Cash Payments For Vulnerabilities by tptacek on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @02:14PM (#5907201)
No, Microsoft releases vulnerability information to the government along with private companies in the antivirus and intrusion prevention space. They do this because they have a coordinated patch schedule that creates windows of known vulnerability.

Microsoft does not have the in-house expertise to feed exploits to anyone.

Re:Microsoft Announces Direct Cash Payments For Vulnerabilities by lawnchair_larry on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @02:41PM (#5907380)
> Microsoft does not have the in-house expertise to feed exploits to anyone.

I agree with you everywhere else in this thread, but you are clearly not up to speed on who works there if you believe that to be accurate. Some of the best exploit writers, who have pioneered new classes of techniques, work at Microsoft (because Microsoft went on a recruiting spree to target them).

Re:Microsoft Announces Direct Cash Payments For Vulnerabilities by tptacek on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @03:01PM (#5907508)
I know who works there and believe my statement to be accurate; remember, we're talking about the total volume of all vulnerabilities discovered in Microsoft products.
Re:Microsoft Announces Direct Cash Payments For Vulnerabilities by lawnchair_larry on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @03:15PM (#5907579)
If you are narrowing the scope of your claim to say that Microsoft doesn't have the expertise to write exploits for every version of every product affected by every vulnerability, ok, sure. That isn't what was suggested though, and isn't something any reasonable person would have implied.

Then again, the notion that Microsoft dedicates resources to serve as an outsourcing shop for NSA hackers to develop "cyber weapons" no longer has "reasonable person" anywhere on the horizon. That's not even worth entertaining, I just had to interject because I thought you were saying MS doesn't have good exploit writers ;)

I do think the MAPP equivalent for governments, probably as an unintended side effect, grants some advantage to parts of the .gov interested in attacking the products. How much, and whether or not they need it, is another story. But I agree that the NSA sure doesn't need their help - it's probably just a bit of free gravy if anything.

And in Microsoft's defense, it really wouldn't matter if they gave them to the NSA or not. The distribution list is very large, and the teams who ultimately receive that content are not vetted in any way.

Re:Microsoft Announces Direct Cash Payments For Vulnerabilities by tptacek on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @03:23PM (#5907622)
I'm just questioning that they have enough exploit writers to keep up. I think (holy shit) that you and I mostly agree about this stuff.
Re:Microsoft Announces Direct Cash Payments For Vulnerabilities by danielweber on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @02:17PM (#5907222)
If you manage 100,000+ installations of a product, you, too, can get advance warning of what flaws have been reported to the vendor.

(I made that number up.)