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Re:NSA Disruption of Stock Exchange Bomb Plot Disputed by thufry on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @07:13PM (#5902649)
They're not the only consideration, but they are a major consideration. The public's tolerance of any privacy infraction will depend strongly on whether that infraction prevents 1 death a year or 1,000,000.
Re:NSA Disruption of Stock Exchange Bomb Plot Disputed by dragonwriter on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @07:20PM (#5902683)
> The public's tolerance of any privacy infraction will depend strongly on whether that infraction prevents 1 death a year or 1,000,000.

The public's tolerance of any privacy infraction probably depends a lot more on how scary the stories of potential harms used to defend it are than the actual harms that it has prevented or would be likely to prevent in the future.

Re:NSA Disruption of Stock Exchange Bomb Plot Disputed by jaysonelliot on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @07:17PM (#5902667)
A privacy infraction that prevents a million deaths a year still has to be weighed against other ways to prevent those deaths without violating people's rights.

Yes, the easiest way to do something might be to violate the Constitution, but that doesn't mean it's the only way.

Re:NSA Disruption of Stock Exchange Bomb Plot Disputed by thufry on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @08:28PM (#5902932)
In an imaginary world where an unconstitutional privacy infraction could be demonstrably proven to prevent a million deaths per year, the Constitution would be amended.
Re:NSA Disruption of Stock Exchange Bomb Plot Disputed by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @11:26PM (#5903589)
You're completely missing the point.

Let's take the worst-case disaster scenario: Terrorists are going to get a nuclear weapon and blow up a major city every year. Millions of deaths per year.

Here are two ways to prevent this:

A) We read everyone's private correspondence without prior suspicion and arrest anyone who we think has obtained nuclear materials necessary to make a bomb. Obviously if we hadn't arrested them they would have killed millions of people, so reading everyone's private correspondence without prior suspicion has saved millions of lives per year.

B) We track down and secure all the nuclear material (e.g. what the Russians have lost) using traditional investigative work so that terrorists can't get it. Since it's too hard for them to make themselves, this prevents them from obtaining a nuclear weapon, problem solved.

C) We send undercover operatives into terrorist networks and disrupt them before they ever get off the ground.

You don't need A if B works. You don't need A if C works. You don't need A if any of D through Z works either.

Re:NSA Disruption of Stock Exchange Bomb Plot Disputed by thufry on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @03:15AM (#5904134)
Non-renewable energy sources are being continuously depleted. Mankind's options are:

1) Conserve energy through efficiency.

2) Develop renewable energy technologies.

3) Invent cold fusion.

Sure, we might not need 1) or 2) if 3) works, but without the existence of 3), it's very easy to make a case for 1) and 2).

Re:NSA Disruption of Stock Exchange Bomb Plot Disputed by DuskStar on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @09:06AM (#5905263)
Except that in even the mid-long term (several hundred years) non-renewable energy is reasonable. (Based on estimates of Uranium and other fissile reserves)

And of course by the time that runs out, we'll have something like Planetary Resources up and running...

So while 3) might not ever happen, that does not imply 1) or 2) are the only remaining options. Proof by elimination only works if you can prove for all options, not just your preferred subset.

Re:NSA Disruption of Stock Exchange Bomb Plot Disputed by uvdiv on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @08:15PM (#5902882)
This isn't always the case [0], even with very neutral questions and no media priming.

[0] http://lesswrong.com/lw/hw/scope_insensitivity/