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Re:Whistleblowers are not traitors by onion2k on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @11:29AM (#5899802)
Ed Snowden is a traitor. He betrayed the trust of the government he worked for. That means he is a traitor. He committed a traitorous act against those who trusted him.

What he is not, however, is treasonous. He didn't betray his country. He did his country (and many others, including mine) a huge favour by changing his allegiance from government to country - he did the right thing. It'd be nice if those working in government never had to do that, but it'd be foolish to thing they won't, and downright wrong to think they've done a terrible thing if they do.

If you believe he committed treason then you're conflating the country with its government. They are not the same thing at all.

Re:Whistleblowers are not traitors by corin_ on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @11:54AM (#5899983)
Is "treason" legal or moral? How do you define it? Would shooting the president by treason? What if the opinion of the shooter is that killing the president is good for the country?
Re:Whistleblowers are not traitors by dalke on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @12:43PM (#5900364)
In the US, it's defined by the Constitution, Article 3 Section 3. "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

Quoting from http://constitution.findlaw.com/article3/annotation24.html : Thus, the Framers adopted two of the three formulations and the phraseology of the English Statute of Treason enacted in 1350, 1285 but they conspicuously omitted the phrase defining as treason the ''compass[ing] or imagin[ing] the death of our lord the King,'' 1286 under which most of the English law of ''constructive treason'' had been developed. 1287 Beyond limiting the power of Congress to define treason, 1288 the clause also prescribes limitations upon Congress' ability to make proof of the offense easy to establish 1289 and its ability to define punishment. 1290.

Thus, I don't see how shooting the president (even 'for the good of the country') leads to a treason charge.

That link also gives a summary of the few Supreme Court cases regarding treason charges. There isn't much, in part because most of the offenses you might come up with are already covered by other laws. For example, 18 USC Sec. 1751 specifically covers "Presidential and presidential staff assassination, kidnapping, and assault."

Re:Whistleblowers are not traitors by malandrew on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:11PM (#5901733)
I'm honestly surprised that they've never tried to apply treason to cases involving drugs. After all it is a "war on drugs".
Re:Whistleblowers are not traitors by dalke on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:14PM (#5901747)
Figurative wars don't count in this case. Consider also the "War on Poverty."
Re:Whistleblowers are not traitors by alexqgb on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @12:00PM (#5900039)
""He betrayed the trust of the government he worked for. That means he is a traitor."

Actually, no. Treason - as a formal charge - can only exists in a time of formally declared war. Even in the depth of the Cold War, we didn't charge turncoats spying for the Soviets with treason since technically, we were never at war with the USSR. Espionage, yes, treason no.

Re:Whistleblowers are not traitors by covingkj on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @12:22PM (#5900189)
I'm confused about what you're getting at. In the next paragraph he defines being a traitor and being treasonous as different things.
Re:Whistleblowers are not traitors by alexqgb on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @02:32PM (#5901081)
Correct, but that doesn't change the fact that his definition of "treason" is wrong.
Re:Whistleblowers are not traitors by sigzero on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @12:22PM (#5900198)
I think you are arguing it wrong as the OP does speak to traitor vs treasonous.