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Re:Monday was my 46th birthday and likely my last by wpietri on Monday June 17, 2013 @03:16PM (#5895280)
If somebody gives you a kit with which you can something you need, is it still a gift? I say yes.

Mindless suffering is indeed something of no value. But mindful suffering for me has been extraordinarily valuable.

For example, I recently did my first triathlon. The training had plenty of suffering. The race was, in some ways, miserable. But because I embraced the suffering, I've grown a lot. Not just physically, but also mentally.

Losing people close to me worked similarly. The suffering was enormous. But so was the growth.

Re:Monday was my 46th birthday and likely my last by VMG on Monday June 17, 2013 @04:48PM (#5895841)
I wonder how this line of reasoning would go over at a murder trial.
Re:Monday was my 46th birthday and likely my last by wpietri on Monday June 17, 2013 @05:31PM (#5896083)
Do you actually wonder that?
Re:Monday was my 46th birthday and likely my last by VMG on Monday June 17, 2013 @06:08PM (#5896302)
No, I actually don't.

I know it would be absurd and there is a good reason we punish people who give the "gift of death" with no regards to some bizarre learning experience for the victims.

Re:Monday was my 46th birthday and likely my last by wpietri on Monday June 17, 2013 @09:40PM (#5897059)
Ok. So if you already knew that, what's your point?
Re:Monday was my 46th birthday and likely my last by VMG on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @06:56AM (#5898491)
Pointing out the absurdity of your statements through the wonderful tools of rhetoric.
Re:Monday was my 46th birthday and likely my last by wpietri on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @07:19PM (#5902681)
Oh. Well then, it didn't work for me. Better luck next time.