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Re:Woz: This is not my America by csense on Sunday June 16, 2013 @11:56PM (#5891357)
Why don't libertarian views have much influence in either party?
Re:Woz: This is not my America by rosser on Monday June 17, 2013 @12:04AM (#5891377)
Because libertarian views are typically some flavor of anti-authoritarian, and — although for at least cosmetically different reasons — both mainstream US political parties are very much authoritarian.
Re:Woz: This is not my America by Jach on Monday June 17, 2013 @02:20AM (#5891721)
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/12/why-i-a... may be relevant to you, but I think http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/05/democra... sums up part of the issue nicely. "Because if you and your friends can parrot Marxism and get it together to capture the State, Marxism gives you: (a) money; (b) power; and probably (c) women. Whereas if you and your friends can parrot Rawlsekianism and get it together to capture the State, Rawlsekianism gives you - what? Philosophical satisfaction? So: which of these creeds would you expect to be more popular with the masses?"
Re:Woz: This is not my America by mynameishere on Monday June 17, 2013 @12:15AM (#5891401)
Libertarian views have never had influence ever. You get it in rhetoric but rarely in practice. Rare cases of real libertarian action...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

...are met with violent government force. This won't change, ever.

Re:Woz: This is not my America by csense on Monday June 17, 2013 @04:59AM (#5892139)
First point: Wasn't the American Revolution largely about the overreaches of the British government? What about the sentiments of isolationism in the US with respect to WWI and WWII? (Apologies to non-US readers; all my examples are from US history because I'm most familiar with it.)

Second point: Even if your comment's true, you didn't answer the question -- is there a reason that "libertarian views have never had influence ever," or is it just a coincidence?

Re:Woz: This is not my America by rdl on Monday June 17, 2013 @02:04AM (#5891683)
New Zealand had a libertarian revolution in the 1990s, although it's walked back a lot on that recently. One of the few cases of non-violent positive change like that.
Re:Woz: This is not my America by seanot on Monday June 17, 2013 @12:09AM (#5891389)
Politicians believe in government -- generally powerful government. There is no place for a powerful, forceful, government in libertarian philosophy. Why would politicians or those who support their actions have an interest in a philosophy that is at odds with their beliefs?
Re:Woz: This is not my America by csense on Monday June 17, 2013 @05:08AM (#5892156)
> Politicians believe in government

Interesting insight. I'm thinking you're saying that people who choose a political career are a self-selected sample of people who believe government is an effective tool.

But what if there are people who are alarmed at the growth of government power, and decide to pursue a political career because they want to make stopping it their life's work? Your line of reasoning would say -- "but such people would believe that government is ineffective, and wouldn't choose a political career as the most effective way to implement the changes they believe are needed."

The problem is that I don't buy it. I also don't buy that people who've already chosen political careers will never switch their views, if the government gets repressive enough.

Re:Woz: This is not my America by caryhartline on Monday June 17, 2013 @12:14AM (#5891398)
Political views first have to be popular with people before they are popular with the political party they are in. Libertarian views are not popular with people.
Re:Woz: This is not my America by rosser on Monday June 17, 2013 @12:26AM (#5891435)
To the extent you're right, I have to ask (rhetorically) whether libertarian views are unpopular because they're disagreed with, or they're unpopular from lack of exposure.

Years ago, I worked for a company that sublet a room in our office to a friend of the boss's, with whom I had a number of long and wide-ranging conversations. In one of those discussions, he showed me an article he'd just read, about a then-recent survey of US high school students in which some 85% of them believed it was illegal to start a third party in the US political system.

I thought that statistic was disturbing enough, until I got to the article's main point: asking whether that was due to a failure of the American educational system, or a frighteningly subtle success of something else?

Re:Woz: This is not my America by come2gether on Monday June 17, 2013 @12:52AM (#5891497)
libertarian views are unpopular partially as a result of intensive subversion.