NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants

Re:NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants by tptacek on Sunday June 16, 2013 @01:52AM (#5887603)

I don't follow. Larry Page and Google's General Counsel jointly signed the denial.

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Re:NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants by philwelch on Sunday June 16, 2013 @02:14AM (#5887638)

Hypothesis: Page was lying; the General Counsel was in the dark for plausible deniability and genuinely believes to this day that PRISM doesn't exist, at least not in a way that involves Google.

I don't see this hypothesis as being anywhere outside the wheelhouse of the NSA. Even outright infiltration (i.e. the hypothesis that not even Page is in the know) is, well, kind of the point of intelligence services, but it's not necessary.

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Re:NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants by tptacek on Sunday June 16, 2013 @02:24AM (#5887660)

This is just innuendo.

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Re:NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants by philwelch on Sunday June 16, 2013 @04:41AM (#5887879)

You're overcommitted to the hypothesis that Google is completely uninvolved based on their own denials which carry close to zero informational value.

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Re:NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants by mpyne on Sunday June 16, 2013 @11:33AM (#5888748)

Given that your hypothesis is rather outlandish even by the NSA's own slides (which explicitly mention 702 compliance) and would require more Google employees than Page to know and willingly lie about it, I don't see why it should take priority over a hypothesis that actually meets all the Occam wickets.

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