And that The Guardian ran a story contradicting it, and that Marc Ambinder reported a story suggesting that PRISM was a dropbox system and not direct access, and that Declan McCullagh ran a story with sources saying that NSA does not have access to Google Mail, and the NYT running a story with an attached court order from the FISC showing Yahoo availing itself of the opportunity to try to deny NSA access to its servers, and the idea that NSA having direct access to Google is an extraordinary claim requiring not just some evidence, but extraordinary evidence.

And that the actual slide "collection directly from the servers" came from supports Google's version https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5887627 .

And even more evidence that would take too long to summarize. <tptacek> is correct here.

How many times are you going to make this exact same comment? Just upvote him if you think he's so right.

He's a reporter who has been doing reporting on this story with actual sources. His confirmation of individual comments of mine is useful, at least to me; don't worry, eventually I'll write a comment that will contain something he knows to be wrong, he'll notice it, call me out for it, and you can start jumping up and down again.

True!