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Re:NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants by burntsushi on Saturday June 15, 2013 @09:10PM (#5886942)
> If you're telling me that this is the understanding most HN people have about what "direct access" means, I'd direct your attention to this very thread to rebut that argument.

I'm not at all saying that. I'm saying that most HN folks do not share your definition of what "direct access" means. I specifically said that it seems like most people are quite aware of the ambiguity of the meaning of "direct access" in a couple slides and that we can only guess at what it precisely means.

Your comment clearly indicates otherwise:

    Either way: the original notion that NSA had direct access to the servers that 
    actually operate Google Mail has been found to be unsupported by the evidence 
    published thus far.
    
    I call this out continuously and obnoxiously on HN because it is very much not 
    the mainstream view on HN
Which seems like you're implying that most here believe literally in some direct tap on a provider's servers. But that isn't my experience.
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Re:NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants by comex on Saturday June 15, 2013 @09:25PM (#5886996)
Bullcrap. When people saw "direct access", they concluded direct access - as was reasonable, at the time, from what the leak seemed to show; I did the same. Many of the people on this site have since realized that that is not true (although there were sure a lot of crazy theories about the specific wording of the initial denials), but most of those people are no longer saying "direct access", and there are people still saying "direct access".
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Re:NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants by jlgreco on Saturday June 15, 2013 @09:30PM (#5887011)
> there are people still saying "direct access".

Undeniably. What tptacek thinks though is that those people are "most" people on HN.

burntsushi thinks this is plainly false, and I agree with him. I think tptacek is seeing whatever it takes to stroke his ego.

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Re:NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants by mpyne on Saturday June 15, 2013 @10:20PM (#5887161)
Personally I'm not sure we're reading the same HN. Maybe today the facts regarding Prism are finally catching up but it certainly wasn't the case yesterday or the week+ before.
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Re:NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants by tptacek on Saturday June 15, 2013 @09:13PM (#5886952)
Yes, that is exactly what I think most people on HN that comment on this issue believe.
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Re:NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants by rickhanlonii on Saturday June 15, 2013 @09:27PM (#5887001)
Hear, hear if you thought about it long enough to know they didn't give the NSA a database console with read-only rights!
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