The Guardian walks back claims of direct NSA access to servers of tech companies

Re:The Guardian walks back claims of direct NSA access to se... by tptacek on Thursday June 13, 2013 @10:32PM (#5877960)

I want to bet that NSA does not have direct access to Google and Facebook servers. I don't have an opinion about NSA's influence over telcos (in fact, I expect you & I agree about the extent to which NSA exerts undue influence over telcos).

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Re:The Guardian walks back claims of direct NSA access to se... by temphn on Friday June 14, 2013 @12:04AM (#5878215)

Google runs its own fiber. You want to bet that the NSA has, among its reported [1] "10 to 20" 641A clones, a tap into Google's trunk? I would bet on that. I would also bet on NSA operatives within Google, some clandestine. If Google can't identify Chinese spies with 100% probability, how likely are they to identify American ones?

Simple terms. If either of those two points come to light (NSA backbone taps of Internet companies or clandestine NSA/IC operatives planted in Internet companies, perhaps in foreign subsidiaries of the same) you publicly post that you were wrong/credulous and the "conspiracy theorists" were right.

After all, if the FBI infiltrated [2] the unimportant KKK, the US government definitely has an incentive to infiltrate the all-important Google.

[1] http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/al...

  Former director of the NSA’s World Geopolitical and 
  Military Analysis Reporting Group, William Binney, has 
  estimated that 10 to 20 such facilities have been 
  installed throughout the nation

[2] http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/october/kkk_102910/kkk_...

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Re:The Guardian walks back claims of direct NSA access to se... by tptacek on Friday June 14, 2013 @12:16AM (#5878258)

Awesome! I love your terms. "So you go prove a negative, and then..."

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