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Re:NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor by VladRussian2 on Tuesday June 11, 2013 @04:36PM (#5864545)
>The point is that security is a precondition to enjoying all of the freedoms you list.

the position you state was formed by Greek and Roman civilizations. Majority of people in these civilizations were slaves. And security was a precondition for the freedom of few at the top of these ancient societies.

The American revolution was a break in that order of things. It resulted in granting of unheard of freedoms while dismantling a lot of Imperial Britain security. And now we're sliding back to imperial level of security and freedom.

Re:NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor by stcredzero on Wednesday June 12, 2013 @11:18AM (#5868533)
About 35 to 40% were slaves in Rome.

The American Revolution carried forward slavery.