Re:Court found NSA surveillance unconstitutional in 2011
by drawkbox on Tuesday June 11, 2013 @04:57PM
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If there was a reason to impeach a president this might be it.
Nixon was impeached for spying on a few competitors but eerily similarly using the FBI, CIA and IRS to spy on competitors and was statesman enough to resign.
Bill Clinton for being too good and making people pry into his personal life.
So far this trumps both combined.
Granted this is the first time technology has allowed this amount of spying and illegal search and seizure of papers so timing would put any president there.
I am scared at what will happen 2-3 presidents from now if the executive branch overreach continues, the exact thing Obama was complaining about in 2008. Considering he was not for it before he became president.
Re:Court found NSA surveillance unconstitutional in 2011
by shpxnvz on Tuesday June 11, 2013 @03:00PM
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> I'm still wondering when this idea of defending the people against this type of thing went out the window...
The moment it achieved it's intended political goal, I suspect.
Re:Court found NSA surveillance unconstitutional in 2011
by godgod on Tuesday June 11, 2013 @01:57PM
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Thank you for posting this. I posted the exact same speech yesterday on another thread. The reason why this statement by Obama doesn't jive is because he's not working for you and me. He's working for people who put him in power. You, me, your mom, your dad, we're all being lied to by our government. I'm mad as hell...and I'm not going to take it anymore!
http://www.cfr.org/us-election-2008/obamas-speech-woodrow-wi...
"This Administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand. I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our freedom.
That means no more illegal wire-tapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are. And it is not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists. The FISA court works. The separation of powers works. Our Constitution
works. We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers, and that justice is not arbitrary.
This Administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security. It is not. There are no short-cuts to protecting America, and that is why the fifth part of my strategy is doing the hard and patient work to secure a more resilient homeland."
I'm still wondering when this idea of defending the people against this type of thing went out the window. . .