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Re:Obama’s Remarks on NSA Controversy by natrius on Friday June 07, 2013 @04:08PM (#5841363)
Let's talk a little about trusting the government to abide by the Constitution. The Constitution establishes the treaties we enter into as the law of the land. The Geneva Conventions are treaties that make torture illegal. The government has tortured people pretty recently.

We're pretty far beyond "trust, but verify" territory here.

Re:Obama’s Remarks on NSA Controversy by anigbrowl on Friday June 07, 2013 @04:11PM (#5841401)
I question your minor premise, just for starters. I also think you're committing a fallacy of composition, since the government is not a monolithic entity.
Re:Obama’s Remarks on NSA Controversy by Domenic_S on Friday June 07, 2013 @05:19PM (#5841989)
Oh, this retort again. "HN/Reddit/the Government isn't just one person with one opinion you know!" And then someone replies yadda yadda scotsman yadda yadda and then we all kill ourselves.

Make an argument!