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Re:Obama’s Remarks on NSA Controversy by coldtea on Friday June 07, 2013 @03:52PM (#5841234)
>And the reason that’s not how it works is because we’ve got congressional oversight and judicial oversight. And if people can’t trust not only the executive branch but also don’t trust Congress and don’t trust federal judges to make sure that we’re abiding by the Constitution, due process and rule of law, then we’re going to have some problems here.

The people shouldn't have to "trust" anything and surely not blindly. As is the case here. The people should KNOW about everything that is being done, and judge for themselves.

If the people have to ..."trust" their government ("Don't worry, we know what's best and we'll do it, we wont bother you with details, just trust us"), then we already have a huge problem here.

The government should represent the will of the people, transparently, openly, and under constant oversight of the citizenry -- not just of judges and congress. Trust should only come into play in very small doses into this.

Re:Obama’s Remarks on NSA Controversy by pkulak on Friday June 07, 2013 @03:56PM (#5841259)
It's not really my _will_ that every single intelligence gathering operation be disclosed to the public. There's a lot of value in terrorists not knowing exactly what communication mediums to avoid at any moment. I think it's a good point that hundreds of directly elected people, representing the entire country, have known about this since it's inception. You can't just put every single government action to a vote, for several reasons.
Re:Obama’s Remarks on NSA Controversy by coldtea on Friday June 07, 2013 @04:02PM (#5841298)
>It's not really my _will_ that every single intelligence gathering operation be disclosed to the public. There's a lot of value in terrorists not knowing exactly what communication mediums to avoid at any moment.

Really? As if skilled terrorists chat their plans over the phone like casual people. They might get some young idiots, but nobody else. And those things are black swan events.

Furthermore, if every single government action was "disclosed to the public", there wouldn't even be more terrorists. People that get to be domestic terrorists would have less reasons to mistrust that open government. And the country wouldn't be made to invade, mess with other sovereign countries and get their people to seek revenge -- at least not without consensus.

Re:Obama’s Remarks on NSA Controversy by kawera on Friday June 07, 2013 @04:03PM (#5841304)
You can't just put every single government action to a vote, for several reasons.

True, but we also know the moral/ethics of those elected (and how their campaigns are funded).

Re:Obama’s Remarks on NSA Controversy by esrauch on Friday June 07, 2013 @04:42PM (#5841677)
I agree, but is there any reason why any actions taken 15 years ago shouldn't be matters of public record? It seems like secrecy on that time frame serves only to protect illegitimate actions.
Re:Obama’s Remarks on NSA Controversy by encoderer on Friday June 07, 2013 @03:59PM (#5841280)
Here I disagree.

We are a republic. The proper mechanism here is to hold our representatives accountable. To me it seems absurd to say that "everybody should KNOW" about every intelligence program.

Re:Obama’s Remarks on NSA Controversy by DasIch on Friday June 07, 2013 @04:25PM (#5841507)
Accountable for what? A couple of days ago nobody even had a reason to complain.
Re:Obama’s Remarks on NSA Controversy by jlgreco on Friday June 07, 2013 @04:50PM (#5841768)
And what the hell does "accountable" even mean? So long as they "merely" act unethically, not illegally, there really isn't any way that we can realistically hold them accountable other than to say "In a few years we are going to try to fire you... if we remember too."