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Re:Show HN: CryptoNote is an open source, encrypted, one tim... by rmrfrmrf on Friday June 07, 2013 @02:35PM (#5840766)
If you're that paranoid, you shouldn't be using a hosted service at all. There could be a guy right outside your house intercepting your cable line and filtering all traffic to and from cryptonote.org and routing it to his own instance of the app. That doesn't mean that cryptonote is responsible for that happening.
Re:Show HN: CryptoNote is an open source, encrypted, one tim... by daeken on Friday June 07, 2013 @02:40PM (#5840798)
This is everything that is wrong with cryptography and privacy. Simply put, if your data is important enough to use cryptography on it, why would you want to use crypto that is broken by design?

The whole point of a well-designed, well-implemented cryptosystem is that even if there is a dude sitting outside my house, he's not getting a single bit of my data. This is just as true for government secrets as it is sending a recipe to my mother. This service is broken, as all such services are. Bad crypto is never, ever, ever excusable.

Re:Show HN: CryptoNote is an open source, encrypted, one tim... by uh_oh on Friday June 07, 2013 @03:30PM (#5841092)
No, he can't. Not without a valid SSL certificate for cryptonote.org. Sure, there are problems with CAs, but it would nevertheless be very difficult to obtain such a certificate.
Re:Show HN: CryptoNote is an open source, encrypted, one tim... by mindcrime on Friday June 07, 2013 @03:51PM (#5841225)
but it would nevertheless be very difficult to obtain such a certificate.

Not if you're the government. Just send the root CA a "National Security Letter" and bob's yer uncle.

Re:Show HN: CryptoNote is an open source, encrypted, one tim... by uh_oh on Friday June 07, 2013 @04:35PM (#5841617)
We were are talking about a random guy in front of the house, not the government.
Re:Show HN: CryptoNote is an open source, encrypted, one tim... by mindcrime on Friday June 07, 2013 @04:40PM (#5841658)
But the set of "random guys" who might appear in front of your house includes potential government agents.
Re:Show HN: CryptoNote is an open source, encrypted, one tim... by lmm on Friday June 07, 2013 @05:55PM (#5842224)
No, they're nonrandom. And more to the point, it's worth defending against some threats even if you can't cover all.
Re:Show HN: CryptoNote is an open source, encrypted, one tim... by yk on Friday June 07, 2013 @06:15PM (#5842377)
He can put his root CA into the browser, certainly when the browser is first installed, and perhaps with the next update. (Are automatic browser updates encrypted?)

But this is besides the point of in browser crypto. The interesting thing is, you need a reliable delivery platform for your crypto code, but this implies you have a TLS connection. So either a third party can break your TLS and modify the crypto code, or your connection is secure in the first place. The scenarios you are then dealing with, is that the server is potentially malicious, but a malicious server just serves broken crypto.

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Re:Show HN: CryptoNote is an open source, encrypted, one tim... by jlgreco on Friday June 07, 2013 @03:32PM (#5841110)
Or (in enough cases to be a valid concern), not without using sslstrip. Which is trivial.
Re:Show HN: CryptoNote is an open source, encrypted, one tim... by uh_oh on Friday June 07, 2013 @04:33PM (#5841604)
If you are the recipient of the link, SSL can't be stripped.

Even if you are an author, assuming you have visited the site over SSL at least once, then it can't be stripped on future visits since the site seems to use HSTS.

Re:Show HN: CryptoNote is an open source, encrypted, one tim... by jlgreco on Friday June 07, 2013 @05:18PM (#5841982)
It is trivial to strip links being sent to a user over unsecured channels.

There are many things that can mitigate an sslstrip style attack, but coverage from those things is patchy.