Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by venomsnake on Thursday June 06, 2013 @07:40AM
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Because an ISP should be dumb pipe. They should only provide connectivity and not mess with people connections. Opt in is enabling. Opt out is intrusion.
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Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by KJBweb on Thursday June 06, 2013 @07:51AM
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Here here, meddling with SMTP connections to my own servers one minute so to ensure they get sent via their own (and often blacklisted) servers, the next they're hijacking DNS and taking further measures to filter and control what I can and can't see. It's infuriating!
Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by andyhmltn on Thursday June 06, 2013 @08:03AM
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>Here here, meddling with SMTP connections to my own servers one minute
I'm unaware of that, but that's a fair point.
>the next they're hijacking DNS and taking further measures to filter and control what I can and can't see. It's infuriating!
That's the thing: They aren't. It would only happen if you asked for it. They aren't filtering anything you don't want filtered.
Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by anExcitedBeast on Thursday June 06, 2013 @12:10PM
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And you think that's still going to be the case in five years?
Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by andyhmltn on Friday June 07, 2013 @07:30AM
(#5838292)
Yes
Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by anExcitedBeast on Friday June 07, 2013 @05:40PM
(#5842132)
You and I should get together and make a bet. If my rights are going to be stripped away I may as well profit.
Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by retube on Thursday June 06, 2013 @09:17AM
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you cannot broadcast what you want on radio or television, you cannot print what you like in newspapers or magazines - there are rules and regulations governing content. why should the internet be any different?
Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by venomsnake on Thursday June 06, 2013 @09:31AM
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But I can say what I want on the telephone and write it in a mail. Internet is point to point bi-directional communication. It is not broadcasting.
Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by retube on Thursday June 06, 2013 @09:50AM
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Umm.. that is precisely what it is! TCP/IP maybe directionally agnostic, but application layer protocols vary. HTTP for example is very much a broadcast protocol.
Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by anExcitedBeast on Thursday June 06, 2013 @11:58AM
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I'm not sure you know what "broadcast" means.
Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by retube on Friday June 07, 2013 @07:43AM
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Well you're just arguing semantics. Just because HTTP is a 1-to-1 connection doesn't mean web content is not "broadcast". It's there for anyone that wants to view it, so functionally it is exactly the same as traditional broadcast media - it's just the mechanics of delivery which are different.
Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by anExcitedBeast on Friday June 07, 2013 @05:37PM
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A broadcast, by definition, is a data transmission initiated by the broadcaster to a number of recipients. HTTP doesn't fit this definition in any way, shape, or form. Every transaction is initiated by a request from you, the client. Right now radio waves are being forced through you and your computer by radio and television towers. Those are broadcasts. Hacker News is not. You made a specific request for the content of news.ycombinator.com. If you do not specifically ask for all this violent pornography you seem so concerned about, it simply can not find its way to your computer. Know why? Because it's not being broadcasted.
Beyond the "semantics" (your dismissal of which indicates you don't hold much regard for the rule of law), you are sorely mistaken if you think state censorship will be used exclusively to guard our fragile, sexually frustrated youth from gangbang clips. This is how a marketplace of ideas becomes a menu of state approved thought.
Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by workbench on Thursday June 06, 2013 @09:23AM
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Because it isn't and shouldn't be controlled by any one governments ideas of what is right and wrong.
Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by Fuxy on Thursday June 06, 2013 @09:45AM
(#5832347)
The internet is dead folks the only way it will ever be free is if we find a way of transmission of data that cannot be modified mid transit or blocked.
Otherwise you will eventually only be able to read what other people want you to read.
Re:All major UK ISPs prepping network-level porn 'n' violenc...
by jiggy2011 on Thursday June 06, 2013 @10:01AM
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SSL can prevent modification mid transit, of course you can still technically be MITMd if your ISP gets issued a cert which is valid for every domain but this would be detectable.
You can circumvent blocking with proxies/VPN, your ISP would have to block all proxy/VPN services to prevent this.