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Re:Welcome to Echelon 2.0 by adventured on Thursday June 06, 2013 @01:34AM (#5830643)
This is a pretty bad article. The NSA wouldn't violate the constitution? Give me a break. They violate it every minute of every day. They're using it as toilet paper, as they attempt to store every piece of digital information on every American they can, in their mega data center in Utah.

You'd be better off starting from a list of big Federal agencies that aren't violating the Constitution every day of the week.

It's not speculation that Echelon existed, it's an openly admitted fact that the program was not only developed but live. It was used to help catch, as two examples: Pablo Escobar and Carlos the Jackal.

Re:Welcome to Echelon 2.0 by gohrt on Thursday June 06, 2013 @04:13AM (#5831139)
Do you know someone who works at NSA? I knew someone (a rank-and-file SIGINT engineer), and he swore that people in his office are trained to discard any domestic data they encounter. Was he lying? Maybe. Did the policies change? Maybe.
Re:Welcome to Echelon 2.0 by ianhawes on Thursday June 06, 2013 @12:21PM (#5833349)
The likely scenario is that information distributed throughout the agency suggests that they do not spy on US citizens. Basic training is done for all employees where they are taught not to spy on US citizens.

However, NSA also conducts clandestine operations. Employees selected for those operations are probably recommended based on their willingness and trustworthiness when it comes to spying on US citizens and effectively breaking the law.

Alternatively, as has been suggested recently in numerous articles, FBI probably works hand-in-hand with NSA to "legally" allocate information required for datamining. To the employees of the clandestine operations, the information obtained is technically "legal", so perhaps that serves to settle the nerves of the employees involved.

Re:Welcome to Echelon 2.0 by betterunix on Thursday June 06, 2013 @12:52PM (#5833569)
I think the most likely answer is that your friend was not lying, but that the NSA is a massive agency with numerous different divisions and operations that do not all follow the same set of rules or have the same objectives.
Re:Welcome to Echelon 2.0 by xntrk on Thursday June 06, 2013 @09:01AM (#5832102)
Yeah the discard it right into there domestic database...
Re:Welcome to Echelon 2.0 by Torgo on Thursday June 06, 2013 @01:48PM (#5833945)
Binney has stated that he witnessed a shift in culture at the NSA since 9/11. We either have to take him at his word or not though.