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Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes by rlpb on Tuesday June 04, 2013 @06:51AM (#5818643)
> And I am not arguing against it, just that in the end someone has to pay for it.

What if it turned out that the baby pays for it because the improved average upbringing allows the baby to earn more and consequently pay more tax in absolute terms, though not in percentage terms?

Would it be a cost to the taxpayer then?

Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes by jan_g on Tuesday June 04, 2013 @07:01AM (#5818669)
As it happens, I am one of such tax payers, since I live in a country with similar arrangements for young parents as Finland. Also, by having two kids, I have been twice a beneficiary of this system. To repeat, I completely support such system, I just don't agree with ProcessBlue's statement, quote, ".. bit fuzzy but if I remember correctly the FREE tier of forming babby in Finland includes ...".
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes by Domenic_S on Tuesday June 04, 2013 @12:42PM (#5820504)
What if the improved upbringing opens up more opportunities for the child -- in other countries? So now instead of an average taxpayer you get nothing at all?
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes by Gravityloss on Tuesday June 04, 2013 @04:49PM (#5822025)
It certainly gives lots of job opportunities - for example in the USA. With finnish mediocre salaries and high tax rates, americans think young couples are crazy to return here to raise their families. Yet they do. Certainly they're not returning directly because of a cardboard box.

There are many places which extract some high value years from the workforce of some other country, for example I've heard that many educated german speaking young people go to work in Switzerland for a few years but ultimately return.

It's a bit unclear to me who wins here.

Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes by saraid216 on Tuesday June 04, 2013 @02:36PM (#5821288)
Obviously the opportunities afforded in your own country weren't sufficient and you should probably work on that rather than crippling children.
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes by jrokisky on Tuesday June 04, 2013 @07:42AM (#5818791)
I think this idea is often over looked. How much money/time is spent solving problems caused by overwork?
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes by icebraining on Tuesday June 04, 2013 @07:33AM (#5818768)
It depends. "Brain drain" is a real problem for many nations.
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes by anigbrowl on Tuesday June 04, 2013 @01:47PM (#5820976)
Not the ones with advanced economies and reliable social safety nets, though. People tend to leave places that don't offer economic security and opportunity for those that do.
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes by flagnog on Tuesday June 04, 2013 @10:12AM (#5819478)
but you're assuming that this improves the upbringing.
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes by saraid216 on Tuesday June 04, 2013 @02:37PM (#5821291)
If you're suggesting that health and parental attention does not contribute to a quality upbringing, I'd like to see some studies cited.