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Re:Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your... by hnriot on Saturday June 01, 2013 @03:47PM (#5805630)
Maybe geographically, but it's not in the EU and nobody in/from Europe or the Ukraine would ever say it's in Europe. Just like Russia is also geographically (at least in part) in Europe, but it's by no means European.

Google (or books) are your friend :)

Re:Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your... by lkozma on Saturday June 01, 2013 @04:33PM (#5805867)
I think your condescension is unnecessary, you know nothing about my reading (or Googling) habits.

By any reasonable definition, Ukraine is in Eastern Europe, whether you use geographical, political or historical definitions. This is what Wikipedia says, as do most atlases and the CIA world factbook, in fact I've yet to see a source saying otherwise, but you can surely provide links to one. The EU is not the same as Europe, by that narrow definition, Switzerland is not Europe. Your statement that nobody in/from Europe or Ukraine would say it's in Europe can be disproved with a simple counterexample: I'm from/in Europe and I say so, just as a random sample of my Ukrainian acquaintances.

No comment on Russia being "by no means" European. I guess you'll need to do a lot of Wikipedia editing to remove all references to Tolstoy from the pages on European literature.

Re:Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your... by davorb on Saturday June 01, 2013 @06:26PM (#5806287)
I'm from Europe and I would.

In my experience it's only people from the US and possible the UK and/or Scandinavia that only think "Western Europe" when they say "Europe".

Re:Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your... by draugadrotten on Thursday June 06, 2013 @05:13AM (#5831330)
Very interesting. You are on to something - I am using Europe as shorthand for Western Europe. When I speak of Eastern Europe I always add Eastern. Just like when I speak of [North] America versus South America or [West] Germany vs East Germany.

However I would say this type of shorthand is far more widespread than UK and Scandinavia. My German friends adds Eastern Europe when speaking of Ukraine, too, as does my Italian friends.

The cultural differences in Europe are far more complex than an East-West divide. Saying that Ukraine has a European culture is like saying India and Japan have "Asian" cultures. It sure doesn't make them the same and frankly, it does not even very similar.