Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands
by pyre on Friday May 31, 2013 @12:40PM
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A NSL is a government order to produce something, so is a warrant. The difference is that a warrant has oversight as a check against abuse, and a NSL has removed all oversight (no judge, can't talk about it, etc).
Not necessarily. If Google (or whomever) could publish all of the NSLs that they get, it would have the possibility to cause public backlash that spurns Congress into action. Let's not forget that if we use the 'secret court' (e.g. FISA) to approve these NSLs, there's a 99.9% chance of them being approved. The FISA court rarely rejects what is put to it (which makes it sort of telling that the government doesn't even want to deal with the formality of the FISA court).
You are trying to say that because you don't like National Security Letters, but you do agree with warrants that they have to contain no similarities. I disagree with NSLs, but talking about NSLs like warrants without judicial oversight doesn't require some addendum of, "OMG! NSLs ARE NOT WARRANTS! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!"
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Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands
by declan on Friday May 31, 2013 @06:27PM
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Well, yes. Both are legal requests, if you want to think of it that way. But types of requests can be differentiated. We can draw a distinction, for instance, between a charity requesting that you voluntarily donate $$$ and an armed man on the sidewalk pulling a gun and requesting $$$. :)