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Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by javajosh on Friday May 31, 2013 @12:36PM (#5799604)
The mechanism for "watching the watchers" are the other two branches of government. One of the most worrying things I've seen is that the judicial branch seems unwilling to really oversee the executive branch. It's like judges want to abrogate their responsibility to check executive power. Are warrants really that much of a headache? Are they really that slow? Do the judges think that it matters that little to the public and the risk of harm that low?
Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by rayiner on Friday May 31, 2013 @01:49PM (#5800077)
It's not because judges think warrants are a headache. It's because judges are deathly scared of being perceived as "judicial activists." The story of the judiciary of the last 20-30 years is the story of the backlash against the judiciary for liberal activism during the 1960's and 1970's, and a subsequent tendency to defer to the political branches whenever possible.

As against the other two branches, all the court has is political capital. Nothing stops the President or Congress from just ignoring a court decision. The judiciary spent tremendous political capital during the civil rights era, and doesn't have enough left to battle the current era of overreaches in the name of national security. And in any case, national security was always one of the areas in which the executive branch was considered to be supreme over the other two branches.

Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by declan on Friday May 31, 2013 @06:35PM (#5801682)
Judges don't wake up in the morning and say, "Well, I would like to do the right thing and declare this surveillance unconstitutional, but there was that Brown v. Board of Education sixty years ago, and so I'm going to punt!" Especially when you have tenure for life and -- in the case of the judge mentioned in my article that started this thread -- are voluntarily retiring in a month anyway. (Even if you get removed from office, which of course never happens, you'd get 5x - 10x your salary in the private sector.)

In general, lower courts follow the lead of appellate courts, which in turn follow the lead of the Supreme Court. And on constitutional issues, those justices don't like to get too far out in front of what they believe the national consensus to be. That's why you have toothless rulings like U.S. v. Lopez, a commerce clause case that conservatives initially applauded, only to have Congress slightly tweak the law without complaint from the courts.

Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by rayiner on Friday May 31, 2013 @08:20PM (#5802017)
> Judges don't wake up in the morning and say, "Well, I would like to do the right thing and declare this surveillance unconstitutional, but there was that Brown v. Board of Education sixty years ago, and so I'm going to punt!"

Sure, but there is definitely a "mood" in the judiciary. If you read opinions from today versus those in say the 1970's, you can definitely see a self-concious deference to the political branches that didn't exist back then. E.g. compare the D.C. Circuit of the 1960's to the current one.

Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by declan on Saturday June 01, 2013 @01:09AM (#5802796)
You might be right. Or at least I'm not saying you're wrong. But do you have any cites that compare then-vs-now?

In reality the DC Circuit spends much of its time today striking down regulations enacted by the political branches, and actually takes some glee in doing so. In HNesque areas, the court tossed out the Net neutrality regulations and the broadcast flag regulations. There's a reason the president wants to tilt the makeup of that court.

Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by saalweachter on Friday May 31, 2013 @01:33PM (#5799975)
Responsibility is a headache. Even better than covering your ass is not having to.

Judges should be issuing warrants for searches, and denying them when appropriate. But what if a judge appropriately denies a warrant for an overly broad search with no evidence of wrong doing on the part of those being searched, and then a building is blown up and it turns out the overly broad search would have caught the bastard? The judge acted appropriately, but he'll be crucified none-the-less.

Too many people don't want to take the responsibility for doing the right thing and having bad come of it, so they'd rather do nothing, or even the wrong thing.

Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by Spooky23 on Friday May 31, 2013 @04:03PM (#5801046)
Judges can only act retrospectively. The Supreme Court cannot wake up and say "X is unconstitutional". They look at the issues as they apply to a particular litigation.

The laws that brought NSLs and similar things were designed to make it incredibly difficult and expensive to appeal in a court. The alternative to warrantless searches has been a top secret court dedicated to National Intelligence issues that approves 97% of warrants. The PATRIOT act laws circumvented even that nominal oversight.