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Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by mindcrime on Friday May 31, 2013 @12:09PM (#5799420)
In a free and open society, we can't accept a government which operates in secret. If our government is to be accountable to the people, it needs to be transparent in what it's doing and how it's doing it. Just crying "national security, national security" doesn't magically make it OK for the government to do whatever it wants.

I've often considered that if I were in a position to receive one of these, that I'd turn around and publish it on the web immediately after receiving it, and just accept the consequences. If that day ever comes, I hope I have the courage to go through with it.

Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by mhurron on Friday May 31, 2013 @12:16PM (#5799475)
> In a free and open society

The people do not seem to want to live in a free and open society.

Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by mindcrime on Friday May 31, 2013 @12:16PM (#5799482)
The people do not seem to want to live in a free and open society.

Yeah. That makes me very sad. :-(

Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by forgottenpaswrd on Friday May 31, 2013 @01:11PM (#5799814)
Cynical view, most people can't understand what a computer is or what it could do.

Most people can't understand how easy is for the government to access the pictures they post on facebook.

This does not mean they don't care.

Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by cinquemb on Friday May 31, 2013 @03:44PM (#5800921)
"Today, nobody cares… But tomorrow, they will…" - Wasalu Muhammad Jaco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4BEdyZ8bM

Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by Xanza on Friday May 31, 2013 @12:37PM (#5799615)
Agreed, unfortunately.
Re:Judge orders Google to comply with FBI's secret NSL demands by snowwrestler on Saturday June 01, 2013 @02:08AM (#5802957)
If we posit that society should be free and open, then what is the problem with the government obtaining this information in the first place?

By analogy: I walk down a public street freely and you can take my picture freely, and follow me, and make notes about my whereabouts. You're under no obligation to notify me that you're collecting that information about me, since I'm moving in public.

Not that I'm arguing in favor of this government power. I'm just saying that I think the heart of the matter is that we feel that some aspects of society should not be free and open. There should be a significant legal burden on the gathering of certain information.