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Re:The talented Mr Green: How FWD.us lost the tech moral hig... by guelo on Thursday May 30, 2013 @03:31AM (#5791372)
You are wrong. Data shows that hard working unskilled immigrants are net payers into the social system. And they are a big positive to the economy overall. America became the world's superpower on the back of unskilled immigrants.
Re:The talented Mr Green: How FWD.us lost the tech moral hig... by jacoblyles on Thursday May 30, 2013 @03:49AM (#5791398)
It's not necessarily pubic programs that are the problem. Unemployment among low-skill workers is still high[1]. I don't see how increasing competition for unskilled jobs is good for those already struggling workers suffering from a low-skill labor glut. And intuitively I'd expect high-skilled workers to generate more complementary jobs than low-skilled ones.

Today's economy and the economy in 1920 or even 1960 don't much resemble each other. For starters, the costs of labor regulation and employer mandates sets a pretty high price floor on labor. That creates a much more difficult market for workers with relatively low marginal productivity to find work.

Also, the population has a far more top-heavy age distribution than it used to have. This country is going to need a very productive labor force to maintain the welfare state at anything close to the current tax levels.

[1] http://c4.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/YL%20chart.jpg

Re:The talented Mr Green: How FWD.us lost the tech moral hig... by iSnow on Thursday May 30, 2013 @03:47AM (#5791392)
They are a net positive not least because they are willing to work for less thereby depressing average wages. Great for the economy, even better for employers. Not quite as great for employees.
Re:The talented Mr Green: How FWD.us lost the tech moral hig... by jongraehl on Thursday May 30, 2013 @12:04PM (#5793279)
I won't bother to call "[citation needed]" on this since I'm sure there are biased analyses out there on both sides, but consider lifetime cost vs. working years remaining. Maybe we're economy-positive on an 18 year old unskilled laborer, even. But most pro-immigration policy changes involve a lot of older folk coming along with in the long run, and not everyone who comes and stays makes enough to be a net positive from a tax POV (not even considering the retirement/medicare time bomb).