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Re:Ask HN: Are my options worthless now? by throwit on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @12:44AM (#5784634)
Much appreciated.

Yes, I've ready many horror stories. The combination of "at-will" and "you lose everything if you're fired" just reeks of danger, to be honest...

I've been dangling on the edge of leaving for some time now, the options were literally the only thing keeping me there -- the hope that if I stayed for 2-3 months longer, perhaps we'll get a surprise early exit. But it seems that given how much the valuation has changed now there's some more experienced people involved, even in the case of that early exit (which is very unlikely, I know), it isn't really going to do anything for me...

> Included from deleted post above, for the history books:

> Thanks for that. I've always been skeptical, and me (or any other employees) actually believed the company should be valued at $30m when it was. Another thing I found that was; my options aren't vested. They're exercisable immediately, but are restricted in the sense that the moment I leave the company (for any reason), I lose them. From what I've heard, it's much more common for a ~4 year vesting period, at which point they're essentially 'yours', whether you stay or not. Is that unusual? From every angle, it kind of feels like we're being given a bum deal here (I won't go into salaries, demotivating work environment, 2 years of 60+ hour weeks ... )

Re:Ask HN: Are my options worthless now? by ProblemFactory on Thursday May 30, 2013 @11:35AM (#5793129)
It's fairly common for options to expire shortly after leaving employment, regardless of vesting: you have to either buy them out or lose them.

Options are not shares. They are a contract that allows you to buy shares. When options vest over time, you become eligible to buy actual shares. In your case it seems that the options do have actually vested: but you still need to pay $150k out of pocket to own real shares in the company.

This is not an issue when the company gets acquired, because you can buy the shares and then sell them on immediately, pocketing the difference.

In summary this means that your choices are:

1. Stay employed with the company until it gets acquired or goes public. If the final valuation is over $30m, you can at best earn (X-$30m)*0.005. For example, at a $40m sale, you could make up to $50k (minus taxes, or the investors' preferred share payouts). If the company is sold for less than $30m, the options are worthless.

2. Leave now, and just before that spend $150k of cash to exercise the options, buying shares. The profit calculation is still the same, but in addition you have to risk actual cash.

3. Leave now, and don't exercise the options.

The second choice is extremely risky, especially when you don't have $150k to blow on investments, or when you don't believe that the company's value has increased far above $30m.

Re:Ask HN: Are my options worthless now? by btilly on Thursday May 30, 2013 @02:57PM (#5794474)
Expire shortly, yes.

Lose immediately? That's what I understood him to be saying, and it is a red flag.