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Re:Chinese boy defaces ancient Egyptian sculpture, prompts o... by ekianjo on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @12:47AM (#5778136)
I can only relate here and I have seen the things you mentioned in the Forbidden city and the Great Wall as well. Not too long ago I was in Thailand (Pukhet), in a hotel resort for a couple of days off, and a couple of Chinese tourists came from the beach and washed their feet in the hotel swimming pool where everyone was swimming. Not embarrassed the least to do that. While there was a special hose, labeled and clearly visible for this particular use a few meters away for people to clean up their feet when coming back from the beach.

On another occasion, while flying domestically in China, I saw a guy just a couple of seats away from me on the left spitting on the aircraft floor several times during the flight. I was like... "huh?". I can kind of understand people spitting on the floor, outside, but in actual public transport? Seriously?

I have no idea what is going through their heads and why they even think it's remotely acceptable to do this. Would they like it if someone did it to them?

Re:Chinese boy defaces ancient Egyptian sculpture, prompts o... by maarten-pi on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @01:56AM (#5778345)
I've been to China a few times and I guess you start to get an understanding of why this happens when you're there.

The trend is that quite some people have little regard foreach other. It becomes really annoying when standing in line and someone trying to get ahead of you in the queue (there always is someone trying to do it, in crowded places). But don't forget that situations where someone cuts in line will be noticed and remarked upon quickly instead of all the other people who didn't cut in line.

I've felt great annoyance about this as well and at one point it turned into some weird kind of amazement where you are observing behaviour from another planet.

I've deduced it to a few things.

1) The rushed lives in the big cities. The streets are full of people, the roads are packed (it can take up to 1 hour just passing by the 500 meter in front of a busstation with a taxi). People work ridiculous hours there (well some of them) so they are really tired when they move around

2) Also taking into consideration the enormous amount of smog / sand storms which pollute the city, you get a place where people just want to get out of as soon as possible.

This kind of explains the cutting in line and the spitting.

3) The 'one child-policy'. Chinese people tend to take an extreme amount of care of their children and it's not uncommon for parents to go to great lengths just to provide their child with everything it needs. That also goes for spending just about everything they've saved, just so their kid can go abroad to study and find work.

In some cases it goes well, but there are a lot of completely spoiled kids around. They actually think they own the world. For a change, I've been to a few more exclusive restaurants and what I found there was obviously good food (they've got that covered), but also young people with an enormous sense of entitlement. Really young, chubby kids ordering waiters to recook their meal, because it wasn't tender enough and giving the waiter all kinds of orders or just people taking off their shoes and put their feet on the table.

4) The enormous amount of competition. It's part of Chinese culture for parents to show off their kids and that tradition is largely ingrained in the new generation. People strive to own 4 apartments, a new car, a beautiful wife and a respectable job. This of course doesn't happen to everyone one.

Live on campuses is equally hard. Students who want to get somewhere need to study nearly every waking hour of the day from when they are 12 until they graduate from university.

The competition leaves people feeling estranged from each other, since there is no time and mental space to actually care about someone else.

5) China is mostly a rural country. Almost all parents had something to do with the cultural revolution. That meant pretty much everyone had to do some labor on the country. What we see now is a transition from a rural society to a modern one.

Well, I'll stop here. It seems like to me there are a lot of factors in play on why the Chinese do the things they do.

I guess it's mostly a state of transition (and I hope), I've seen great things happen in China. And well, with that many people there not all goes well.

Re:Chinese boy defaces ancient Egyptian sculpture, prompts o... by msie on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @12:54AM (#5778155)
Did you tell them to stop it? I think a lot of problems like this would be solved if someone worked up the courage to speak up. It could have just been a major misunderstanding. Maybe they really didn't see the hose or thought it was only used for emergencies. I've seen people of all races do stupid things.
Re:Chinese boy defaces ancient Egyptian sculpture, prompts o... by seabrookmx on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @01:01AM (#5778174)
While I agree with you in that we shouldn't stereotype, this is a cultural issue, not a racial one. Like the top level comment above this states, a Chinese Canadian is going to have vastly different customs. The article is referring to inconsiderate trends in Chinese culture, not Chinese race.
Re:Chinese boy defaces ancient Egyptian sculpture, prompts o... by msie on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @01:38AM (#5778289)
And yet, there is a lot of condemnation from the mainland Chinese themselves.

Anyways, regardless of who is doing it, I think it's better to let them know they are doing it wrong, right when they are doing it because:

1) maybe they innocently don't know better and want to know better 2) you don't want that resentment to fester in your mind 3) you don't want to take out that resentment on someone else of the same race (which always seem to be happen)

Much easier said than done of course.

Re:Chinese boy defaces ancient Egyptian sculpture, prompts o... by ekianjo on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @01:33AM (#5778274)
Even if you did not see the hose, I would never even think of washing my feet in the water where people are swimming. It's like puking into someone's plate, you just don't do this kind of things, there's not way you can justify by "i didn't know".

And it's not about race, it's about culture. I have no problems with Chinese people who have been educated in other countries. But people coming from Mainland China, it's almost systematic: they don't care and act just like they were homeless or something, not matter how rich they are. (and the ones I saw were rich to be able to stay where they were staying).

Re:Chinese boy defaces ancient Egyptian sculpture, prompts o... by msie on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @01:56AM (#5778346)
I would never even think of washing my feet in the water where people are swimming

In some countries people wash their clothes in the same river that other people bathe and swim. In many places there's just a lake, a pond, or a swimming hole, but no separate hose. And people make jokes about urinating in the pool all the time.

Re:Chinese boy defaces ancient Egyptian sculpture, prompts o... by msie on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @02:01AM (#5778373)
Yeah, I don't understand spitting indoors. Why didn't I remember this in your comment earlier?
Re:Chinese boy defaces ancient Egyptian sculpture, prompts o... by ekianjo on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @04:49AM (#5778936)
Because I edited my comment very soon after posting it - you probably read it very soon after I replied :)