Re:US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for ...
by TeMPOraL on Monday May 27, 2013 @06:06AM
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I think OP was talking about average-Joe's understanding of safety. The "if I buy original version, it won't have viruses on it that break my computer". This is true so far, DRMs or not, and people trust legal media. But the moment this trust gets broken, there will be little reason to go to shop instead of Pirate Bay.
Re:US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for ...
by rst on Monday May 27, 2013 @10:22AM
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Actually, there's been at least one instance of legally purchased media installing spyware, the Sony rootkit scandal that's already come up in this discussion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootki...
Re:US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for ...
by marcosdumay on Monday May 27, 2013 @05:37PM
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Yeah, and there are lots and lots of instances of illegaly gotten media installing spyware. You don't need a perfect track record to be the safest option.
Re:US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for ...
by shmerl on Monday May 27, 2013 @06:02PM
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The difference is, that it's a common knowledge not to trust pirated materials. But it's not a common knowledge not to trust DRMed ones.
Re:US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for ...
by shmerl on Monday May 27, 2013 @12:58PM
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My point was that such trust is misplaced and baseless. Since the distributors of the original DRMed media don't trust the average person (thus the DRM), there is no reason to trust them in return (and even are reasons not to trust). Though most people just don't realize it.
Re:US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for ...
by troels on Monday May 27, 2013 @04:50AM
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I think that was the OP's point really. But you're right in that it has already happened with DRM - rootkits are just the natural next step in this direction.
Re:US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for ...
by shmerl on Monday May 27, 2013 @01:10PM
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"It has already happened" means it was discovered. Since DRM is by definition obscured, we don't know what wasn't found. Insecurity and malicious code is to be expected from it. Their attempt to legalize it only reveals their original intentions.
Re:US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for ...
by Vivtek on Monday May 27, 2013 @05:25AM
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Yeah, but it's relatively restricted right now, to the point that the vast majority of consumers have no idea it exists. If this is enshrined in law as a bona fide policy, it will become much more widespread - perhaps to the point that Joe Public notices.
So this is different - in degree if not in kind.
Disagreed. Sony rootkit was on the legally purchased media. DRM on streaming services can do all kind of stuff without users consent. DRM built into hardware with cameras can do even weirder stuff (just note the crazy DRM idea patented by Microsoft regarding detecting the people in the room). Since DRM is a black box, you never know what it can do. There is completely no reason to trust that it will respect your privacy and rights. Therefore DRMed media has no edge over pirated media at all.
Safety requires transparency (for the user), as well as trust in the used technology. DRM by its very definition is non trustworthy and non transparent, it's the antithesis of that. It's totally opaque precisely because it attempts to hide something from the user. Because ironically, DRM proponents don't trust the user! User is treated as potential criminal by default. How can users in situation when they aren't trusted, trust the DRM vendor in return? They can not, and they should not! Trust can be only mutual. I.e. DRM always implies something shady and risky. DRM proponents should be treated as potential criminals by default in return. And what do such criminals usually hide in their code? Malware.