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Re:Who Needs Ops Anyway? by venomsnake on Sunday May 26, 2013 @12:02PM (#5771419)
The problem is that admins provide somewhat less visible value.

A programmer can create in a afternoon a feature that can be sold for a 100K+ dollars. And get the credit, glory and chicks. Or at least part of the credit.

To value properly admin you have to have had your ass pulled out of the fire from a good one a couple of times. Which comes with experience.

Re:Who Needs Ops Anyway? by sdfjkl on Sunday May 26, 2013 @04:37PM (#5772345)
The biggest problem is that when you have a good admin, things will run smoothly, but few will attribute that to his work.
Re:Who Needs Ops Anyway? by KaiserPro on Sunday May 26, 2013 @05:12PM (#5772454)
The classic adage is: A CEO walks around the office floor and notices how wonderfully clean the place is. This CEO is all about efficiency, so he trots into his office and phones up the CFO. He asks how much is spent on cleaning, suprised at the cost decimates the cleaning budget.

In a brief email to the board, boasting of another hard day's work making the company leaner and faster he says: "The office is already squeaky clean, why would we need cleaners?"

Re:Who Needs Ops Anyway? by lsc on Sunday May 26, 2013 @07:06PM (#5772757)
Yeah, there's a common sysadmin joke about how if the CEO knows you exist, you aren't doing your job.
Re:Who Needs Ops Anyway? by gaius on Monday May 27, 2013 @11:21AM (#5774936)
Sorry, accidental down vote on phone.
Re:Who Needs Ops Anyway? by mgarfias on Sunday May 26, 2013 @06:14PM (#5772625)
What if your ops guy pushed in a week's span, a particular tech that resulted in saving you $1.5-2.5 million over a period of four years?

Not valuable my ass.

Re:Who Needs Ops Anyway? by techsupporter on Sunday May 26, 2013 @07:30PM (#5772801)
But no one notices that. Like the power company, people only notice good Operations when they cease to be good Operations (e.g. something fails). The poles-and-wires company for my area in Texas wanted a rate increase to improve certain older power substations' reliability against high heat (something that never happens in Texas) because they had come dangerously close to dropping offline during the heat wave of 2011. People complained mightily about another $0.98/month because "it's worked fine, why do you need more money?"