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Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by eclipxe on Tuesday May 21, 2013 @04:34PM (#5746640)
"what is usually called the 'bro gamer' demographic"?

Just because I like Madden, I'm a "bro gamer" now? Get over yourself.

Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by benbeltran on Tuesday May 21, 2013 @05:13PM (#5746874)
Chill out dude. I didn't say you were a bro gamer, I didn't say I agreed with the term. I tried to answer Caskain's question on "how did they alienate gamers", and yes, part of it is the sentiment of catering to bro gamers. But notice the usage of quotes. Follow your own advice.
Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by eclipxe on Tuesday May 21, 2013 @07:22PM (#5747766)
Okay "hipster gamer". Notice the usage of quotes.

The point you're making is essentially that people that might enjoy popular franchises or particular genres of games aren't "real gamers" but a lower, subclass of gamers.

The point I'm making is that just because someone enjoys playing Madden (or football) does not mean that they don't also enjoy smaller, independent games ('yeah, most people have never heard of it'). We can be "gamers" too you know...

Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by nightski on Tuesday May 21, 2013 @08:02PM (#5747937)
No your logic is just incorrect. This is simple propositional logic. If P -> Q does not imply If Q -> P. Bro gamers tend to like games like Madden & CoD. Because you like Madden & CoD does not make you a bro gamer.
Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by eclipxe on Tuesday May 21, 2013 @11:32PM (#5748703)
What is the defining characteristic of a "bro gamer" then?
Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by benbeltran on Wednesday May 22, 2013 @08:14AM (#5750204)
It's bros... that are gamers.
Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by cobrausn on Tuesday May 21, 2013 @05:11PM (#5746867)
'bro gamer' is just a term used by some gamers to feel superior to the CoD demographic (which is everybody). It seems to me to be a kind of signaling used to mark themselves out as 'serious' gamers who think about 'serious' issues while they blow stuff up and shoot zombies.
Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by zurn on Wednesday May 22, 2013 @12:56AM (#5748960)
It's not a a stretch to call FPS games low brow.

I don't play FPS games, but I know smart and sensitive people who do. They don't pretend it's not a badly justified gorefest though, just like smart people who listen to Manowar don't.

A lot of people are very let down by games that get reviews just gushing over the plot and the atmosphere and puzzles but end up being 90% gore and FPS (like Bioshock for example).

Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by sixbrx on Wednesday May 22, 2013 @09:24AM (#5750604)
But the referent of the "bro gamer" slight is not the game as you seem to be arguing, but the gamer.
Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by teamonkey on Tuesday May 21, 2013 @07:08PM (#5747684)
It's not everybody. CoD has a very large demographic and it encompasses a significant chunk of the console and hardcore PC gaming market, and they're better games than people give credit for, but they're far from universal appeal.
Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by Uhhrrr on Tuesday May 21, 2013 @05:49PM (#5747151)
Well, if you only like Madden, you probably are. It's like if you collected art, but only art with football players in it.
Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by eclipxe on Tuesday May 21, 2013 @07:17PM (#5747727)
You sir or madam have just given me my next startup idea.
Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by Uhhrrr on Tuesday May 21, 2013 @07:53PM (#5747898)
Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by socialist_coder on Tuesday May 21, 2013 @05:32PM (#5747016)
It's true =\
Re:Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System by eclipxe on Tuesday May 21, 2013 @07:18PM (#5747738)
I appreciate your honesty ;-)