Both of them. You only wrote two sentences, it shouldn't be hard to find them.

>the one that many people find

You didn't say anything about "many people find". You said they are a pain in the ass, and don't mix well with the applications many people are writing. Those are both assertions, and you supported neither of them. Even after replying twice, you still haven't even given a hint as to what you might be referring to. That really makes it seem like you are just saying things out of ignorance.

I said they were a pain in the ass for the kinds of programs many people want to write. I'm sorry you're too ignorant to grok my meaning without it being explained to you like a five year old child.

> Those are both assertions, and you supported neither of them.

They are self evident facts and don't require supporting evidence; the very fact that a community exists around these products should make that clear to you.

In any case, it's absolutely clear there's no value in conversing with you, good day.

And refuse to specify what those kinds of programs might be. You are inventing a "many" and giving them a problem to create a false impression of consensus, when it is actually just you making a singular, baseless assertion.

>the very fact that a community exists around these products should make that clear to you.

I address that in the first post. You keep responding purely to act like a petulant child, but provide absolutely nothing to support your claims. Do you really think that makes you appear to be the rational, logical party?