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Re:FOIA release: Completely Redacted Document About Text Sno... by tptacek on Tuesday May 14, 2013 @06:20PM (#5708759)
One way that China is "different" is that the police in China can summarily sentence arbitrary Chinese citizens to "Rehabilitation Through Labor" for as long as a year without trial (trials are available as a formality but are apparently so delayed that their practical impact is negligible). You can be a Chinese citizen and plucked off the street and put into a labor camp for a year with no recourse.

Your call whether that's just a cultural difference. I don't know what "evil" means here.

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Re:FOIA release: Completely Redacted Document About Text Sno... by newman314 on Tuesday May 14, 2013 @07:58PM (#5709234)
Come now. "Stop and frisk"? I'm not saying that the Chinese don't do bad things, I'm saying that Western nations are culpable too.

Let's face it, the poor everywhere get screwed while the rich get away with it. It's just different shades.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2...

Western example... http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigg...

dm2 was positing China as this fearsome bogeyman where the only option is China vs. US, winner takes all.

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Re:FOIA release: Completely Redacted Document About Text Sno... by tptacek on Tuesday May 14, 2013 @08:58PM (#5709491)
By all means, compare a system in which local police are empowered to imprison people in labor camps for a year to one in which an overreaching local police force frisks people based on racial profiles.
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Re:FOIA release: Completely Redacted Document About Text Sno... by newman314 on Wednesday May 15, 2013 @06:15PM (#5715375)
Seriously, are you defending stop and frisk as a trivial issue now?

How about internment camps then? Does that better suit your strawman?

Whereby Eisenhower's Executive Order 9066 caused Japanese American citizens to be plucked off the street and put into camp against their will for MULTIPLE years with NO recourse. All because of unfounded fear. Not so different is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

I know people that this directly affected so I feel strongly about this issue.

While I can and do respect your skill and experience in security, this however is an area I doubt you have much actual experience or proper perspective in.

I would recommend visiting Manzanar or one of the other camps if you have not had the opportunity to do so. These are not nice places and caused severe hardship to the people imprisoned there.

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Re:FOIA release: Completely Redacted Document About Text Sno... by dm2 on Tuesday May 14, 2013 @07:10PM (#5709014)
Not putting a stop to traditional Chinese medicine, in my opinion, is evil.

Plundering the worlds oceans in attempt to feed the billion+ population is borderline.

Are those issues just cultural differences or seriously unethical?

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Re:FOIA release: Completely Redacted Document About Text Sno... by newman314 on Tuesday May 14, 2013 @07:53PM (#5709210)
Amazingly, I've actually seen Chinese medicine work (but of course this is the Internet and my own singular anecdote). Granted, a ton is snake oil but some remedies do work.

Starting wars because of oil is not? Concentration camps?

"Are those issues just cultural differences or seriously unethical?"

Point I'm trying to make is that America is not as lily white as you think it is.

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