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Re:Jony Ive is Not a Graphic Designer by r0s on Monday May 06, 2013 @06:12PM (#5665114)
> When the iPhone came out, nobody used touch devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS_sales

By the time the iPhone was released in 2007, more than 40 million DS units had been sold worldwide.

I think it was last year the iPhone managed to beat the DS for total combined sales.

Re:Jony Ive is Not a Graphic Designer by ricardobeat on Monday May 06, 2013 @06:24PM (#5665165)
"Touch" screens with styluses have been available since the 90's if you will, but they were a completely different beast than the first iPhone, and what we have today.
Re:Jony Ive is Not a Graphic Designer by kpao on Monday May 06, 2013 @06:22PM (#5665159)
Yeah, and Windows Mobile devices with touch screens had been around for quite a while before the iPhone came out... Ex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Wizard
Re:Jony Ive is Not a Graphic Designer by biot on Monday May 06, 2013 @07:12PM (#5665362)
Before that, there was the Newton, Palm, and various clones. And for thousands of years prior, the abacus had a touch interface.
Re:Jony Ive is Not a Graphic Designer by monkbent on Monday May 06, 2013 @06:19PM (#5665149)
Capacitive v resistive...

DS had a stylus for a reason.

Re:Jony Ive is Not a Graphic Designer by Samuel_Michon on Monday May 06, 2013 @10:45PM (#5666281)
I call those ‘poke’ devices, not ‘touch’ devices. On resistive displays, you really need to press hard for the device to register your action. That gets tiring, so people would use a stylus to poke at it instead. Anoher reason for the stylus was that the interfaces often weren’t made with fingers in mind, so the targets were way too small.
Re:Jony Ive is Not a Graphic Designer by r0s on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:39PM (#5666394)
You should actually try the device in question.

No pressure needed, and fingers do the job nicely, but much less precisely. The UI on the DS is designed around fingers or stylus, and most games stick to that convention(plenty of exceptions, of course).

Re:Jony Ive is Not a Graphic Designer by Samuel_Michon on Tuesday May 07, 2013 @11:56AM (#5668766)
I have to admit I’ve never used a Nintendo DS. I was referring to an entire class of devices of that time that had resistive touchscreens. Before the iPhone, I used all kinds of smartphones and PDAs. In my experience, they all had crummy resistive screens. I’m surprised to learn that the quality of the DS screen was that much better than far more expensive devices like the SonyEricsson P910[1].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P910

Re:Jony Ive is Not a Graphic Designer by mikeash on Monday May 06, 2013 @07:21PM (#5665403)
The DS relies on button input, with occasional touchscreen input as a supplement. It's not even remotely the same class of device.