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Re:The Story Behind the QWERTY Keyboard by bad_user on Sunday May 05, 2013 @03:47PM (#5659507)
Are you sure it was Dvorak that saved you the wrist pain? Also, every time you have to type on Qwerty, maybe it feels like doing finger gymnastic because your fingers aren't used to it?

For what is worth I've been finger typing on Qwerty for the last 11 years and I've never had wrist pain. My average is about 90 WPM when doing relaxed typing and over 120 when I stretch myself, and I never felt the need for going faster.

My main problem with Dvorak, that often goes unmentioned: it saves you finger stretches ONLY if you're typing English words, being optimized for English and my native language isn't English.

The keyboard for my native language is still Qwerty. The Dvorak-equivalent on the other hand is completely different from normal Dvorak.

Maybe Qwerty needs a replacement, but Dvorak ain't it.

Re:The Story Behind the QWERTY Keyboard by jjoonathan on Sunday May 05, 2013 @04:24PM (#5659608)
The distinction between Dvorak and QWERTY when it comes to wrist movements isn't remotely subtle. "This is a test sentence" leaves the home row once on Dvorak and 13 times on QWERTY. That doesn't strike me as atypical. The "flow" of Dvorak is so noticeable that certain words become slightly annoying to type. If we could somehow chart the motion of tendons through your wrist I'm sure I could convince you that the difference is like night and day.

> For what is worth I've been finger typing on Qwerty for the last 11 years and I've never had wrist pain. My average is about 90 WPM when doing relaxed typing and over 120 when I stretch myself, and I never felt the need for going faster.

It's not about the speed (well, I was a hunt-and-peck typist on QWERTY and I switched in order to break the habit, so it was about the speed, just not in that way). It's nice that you don't have any wrist pain, but are you sure that will always be the case? Even a little tiny bit is enough to put me off writing code and both of us will due the bulk of our typing in the future.

> Maybe Qwerty needs a replacement, but Dvorak ain't it.

I agree, but only because the barrier to learning Dvorak is rather large and would apply to any Qwerty replacement. It took concentrated effort over the course of months just in order to reach my speed on QWERTY and I'm not sure it was worth as much effort as it took. Still, I'm fairly certain that if you could snap your fingers and use Dvorak/Colemack/Whatever you would.

Re:The Story Behind the QWERTY Keyboard by jseliger on Sunday May 05, 2013 @08:16PM (#5660323)
The distinction between Dvorak and QWERTY when it comes to wrist movements isn't remotely subtle.

I wonder about the extent to which this is due to the keyboard layout itself. For example, I've been using Kinesis Advantage keyboard for the last couple years (http://jseliger.wordpress.com/2011/07/17/further-thoughts-on... for some of my thoughts on it) and find very little wrist movement when using it.

The Advantage is ludicrously expensive for a keyboard, but I also often use it for 40 or more hours per week, and, unlike many default keyboards, its keys don't become sticky or break after a year or two.