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Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by sillysaurus on Friday May 03, 2013 @06:13PM (#5652963)
You've fallen into a trap: anthropomorphizing aliens.

Aliens aren't necessarily anything like us. Curiosity isn't necessarily a property of life. An example: cats don't appear to experience remorse, yet dogs do. One could envision the same for curiosity.

One motivation for a space program is when a civilization realizes their resources will be gone in a matter of centuries.

Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by pjscott on Friday May 03, 2013 @06:54PM (#5653135)
One of the classic examples is the Paperclip Maximizer thought experiment. A paperclip maximizer is a superintelligent AI whose sole goal is to maximize the number of paperclips in the universe. Such a being is curious to the extent that learning more about the universe increases the expected number of paperclips in its future light-cone.

A paperclip maximizer is indifferent to your existence, but thoroughly believes that it could make better use of your planet than you could, as you are hardly optimized for the production of paperclips.

Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by comrade_ogilvy on Friday May 03, 2013 @07:03PM (#5653173)
Obviously the Paperclip Maximizer would be supplanted by the Maximizer Maximizer, which only sees value in copies of itself. The Maximizer Maximizer that stumbles onto the mental trait "curiosity" will eventually crush all other variants of Maximizer. Once it develops the advanced technologies of space travel, it discovers that seizing faraway planets is possible but going through all that trouble is not a net positive towards self-actualization as a Maximizer Maximizer Maximizer.

Thus TFA is correct.

Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by pjscott on Friday May 03, 2013 @07:11PM (#5653192)
Obviously the Maximizer Maximizer is just another potential foe for the Paperclip Maximizer to seek out and crush in its infancy. (Sound brutal? It isn't; if you pull it off right, not a single paperclip will be harmed.)
Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by comrade_ogilvy on Friday May 03, 2013 @07:36PM (#5653279)
The potency of the Minimizer Maximizer is more likely to be discovered by a curious Maximizer variant. But will it have the wisdom to not to employ it?

But you are falling into a anthroporeligio trap of assuming the Paperclip Maximizer considers potential paperclips in their uncoiled wire form to have comparable moral status as actual paperclips, once the wire reaches the factory floor.

Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by platz on Friday May 03, 2013 @07:01PM (#5653160)
The Paperclip Maximizer: inconceivable, conceivable but not metaphysically possible, or metaphysically possible? I sense the approach of the p-zombie.
Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by pjscott on Friday May 03, 2013 @07:18PM (#5653216)
I'm not sure what you mean by "conceivable" and "metaphysically possible", and I don't see a resemblance to p-zombies. Could you elaborate?
Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by platz on Saturday May 04, 2013 @02:48AM (#5654299)
just trolling. The distinction was posed here (http://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl). The resemblance: if a superintelligent AI lacks 'conscious experience, qualia, or sentience'.
Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by coldtea on Friday May 03, 2013 @07:32PM (#5653267)
Sounds like a crappy example though, as far as examples/thought experiments go.

How is this specific choice of example any good, or makes any sense?

Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by pjscott on Friday May 03, 2013 @07:54PM (#5653344)
It's alien enough that people won't try to anthropomorphize the Paperclip Maximizer. That's not an easy thing for an example to accomplish. And it was originally conceived for talking about artificial intelligence, which makes it a bit less outlandish.
Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by fchollet on Friday May 03, 2013 @06:37PM (#5653075)
Curiosity, by this point, is extremely likely to be a required condition for intelligence in any species. You should look into the AI work done in developmental robotics and Artificial Curiosity...
Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by krsunny on Friday May 03, 2013 @06:52PM (#5653127)
By what point? In time? In evolution? Because curiosity can be simulated with machines why does that prove that its a characteristic of all developing biological life?
Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by coldtea on Friday May 03, 2013 @07:35PM (#5653273)
For one, any technological civilisation needs curiosity as it's basis.

Second, curiosity is prevalent all around advanced animals, mammals etc. Seems like an emergent property of evolution, that would be hard to not come out in any evolutionary process.

Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by fchollet on Friday May 03, 2013 @08:32PM (#5653438)
"by this point" == "given the degree of understanding of Intelligence that we have reached so far"
Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by hnhg on Friday May 03, 2013 @06:53PM (#5653130)
Maybe that's because we've designed it to resemble our own intelligence?
Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by yareally on Friday May 03, 2013 @06:53PM (#5653132)
I would think that a prerequisite for space exploration would be curiosity. I mean you make a good point, but the willingness to go beyond one's current means and traveling through the unknown kind of allude to an instinctual curiosity to see what is new and different.
Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by comrade_ogilvy on Friday May 03, 2013 @06:58PM (#5653146)
To develop advanced technology without curiosity would be rather implausible.
Re:Why We'll Never Meet Aliens by coldtea on Friday May 03, 2013 @07:30PM (#5653260)
>You've fallen into a trap: anthropomorphizing aliens. Aliens aren't necessarily anything like us.

Yes, we're talking about aliens that ARE like us here. Not some alien bacteria.

As far as evolution is concerned, it should work pretty much the same in any planet, and produce more or less similar results.