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Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by KirinDave on Friday May 03, 2013 @01:26PM (#5651323)
That would be a comforting fiction. However it seems that this prosecutor might have a pattern of behavior consistent with taking race into account:

http://raniakhalek.com/2013/05/02/prosecutor-behind-kiera-wi...

While the component you're talking about is real, I'm sure, I suspect that the part of it where a young girl curious about science has her life ruined is probably at least as motivated by race as by control issues in the school.

Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by mseebach on Friday May 03, 2013 @01:47PM (#5651469)
The problem with that story is that the prosecutor advised the charges by telephone.

It is much more likely that she, the police officer and the principal got all worked up over "OMG BOMB" than that the police officer decided that mentioning the race of the girl on the phone was relevant.

Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by tzs on Friday May 03, 2013 @01:44PM (#5651455)
That link you gave could equally well be used to support the argument that the prosecutor is prejudiced AGAINST white people. Set off a minor explosion at a school where it will put black people at a slight risk, he prosecutes. Kill a white kid, he does not prosecute.
Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by KirinDave on Friday May 03, 2013 @01:53PM (#5651507)
Maybe, if America doesn't have a history of white-oppresses-black racism stretching back to before its founding as a country. Since it does, I do not thing any rational reader could com to that conclusion.

In either case, it doesn't matter. The point is the prosecutor really seems to be taking race into account on juvenile cases. Were they favoring black kids or unduly penalizing them is immaterial.

Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by tzs on Friday May 03, 2013 @02:31PM (#5651734)
A rational reader could not come to any conclusion from the link you provided, because the two cases considered there are so different, and even if they were similar the sample size is way too small.
Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by KirinDave on Tuesday May 07, 2013 @01:34PM (#5669469)
It is not small at all in the context of American history. It was really not so long ago that we were requiring black people to use separate water fountains from white people and blocking them from whole classes of employment. Many places in that region of the US still cling–perhaps unwittingly, I suppose–to extremely racist traditions like segregated public and private events. The statistics on black incarceration and economic status are well established.

So when someone raises the specter of racism in a powerful public office like this, the accusation warrants investigation if nothing else. And other people here have asked for hundreds of samples, but this prosecutor's data set (which is really the thing in question here) is really not that large.

What's more, it loses sight of the real problem! The real problem is a curious girl is being overly punished for experimenting. The laws that put her in this jeopardy should also be under attack in addition to investigating the racist factors that come to light.

Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by scarmig on Friday May 03, 2013 @03:52PM (#5652264)
Yes. And the War on Drugs can be seen just as easily as evidence that the government is racially biased against white people, because it decides to protect blacks from the decimation of drugs in their own community while letting white teenagers smoking pot run wild in their own.
Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by betterunix on Friday May 03, 2013 @02:00PM (#5651575)
I do not think two datapoints can really support any conclusions here. Are there other cases to point to?
Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by KirinDave on Friday May 03, 2013 @02:09PM (#5651620)
http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/the-case-a...

P.S., How many young black children's lives being unfairly altered is "a significant dataset" for you to answer the question, "Is a white prosecutor in sub-urban Florida _really_ racist?" I'd like to know the actual number.

Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by betterunix on Friday May 03, 2013 @02:25PM (#5651709)
The article you linked to only has two cases for this specific prosecutor. I have little doubt that there are racist cops and racist prosecutors in this country, but for this specific prosecutor I am not seeing good evidence of a racist motivation.

On the other hand, I see quite a bit of prejudice in your comment -- you seem fixated on the fact that the prosecutor is white and works in suburban Florida.

Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by sophacles on Friday May 03, 2013 @03:49PM (#5652243)
Actually, those are relavant data points. Assuming you can get racism rates for the population "white people in suburban florida", you can set a base probability of the specific person from that population being racist. This would affect the sample sizes of data needed to determine if that person was racist.
Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by betterunix on Friday May 03, 2013 @04:14PM (#5652362)
Except that not all those datapoints were from suburbs, let alone suburban Florida, and there were still only a handful of them. The sample is also biased, as it excludes white people receiving harsh treatment (it happens).

I do not personally doubt that black Americans are mistreated; I watched black friends of mine being mistreated when I was a teenager. However, I have yet to see any evidence of racism in this case.

Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by KirinDave on Friday May 03, 2013 @04:28PM (#5652456)
2 kids in the same district. One is playing around while illegally handling firearms. One is playing around while legally working on a science project at school where they're supposed to be supervised.

One child kills another. The other produces a small puff of smoke. Same prosecutor, same area. One case, she deliberates for a month. The other case, she gives a phone recommendation over 3 days.

I'm sorry, but given the history of the US this seems like relevant and damning data.

Again, I ask: how many children's lives need to be ruined before you have a statistically significant number? Please set the goalpost.

Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by betterunix on Friday May 03, 2013 @05:46PM (#5652839)
It is entirely possible that the two cases you cite are outliers. It is also likely that you cherry-picked those two cases because they support your point of view.

How about this: take a random sample of at least 100 felony cases in which the defendant was a minor prosecuted by that office. If you can find that in that sample, black people were more likely to be prosecuted aggressively than white people, you would have at least taken the first step in demonstrating ongoing racism.

Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by KirinDave on Saturday May 04, 2013 @12:57PM (#5655440)
Actually I'd prefer to have you lay out exactly what it'd take to convince you in a post I can link to. That way if I do find the data, I can point to this post when you shift your goalposts.
Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by betterunix on Saturday May 04, 2013 @03:17PM (#5655996)
Take a sample of 100 random felony cases against black defendants and 100 random felony cases against white defendants prosecuted by this specific prosecutor during a specific period of time and where the defendants were from similar economic backgrounds. Then show that all things being equal, black defendants were prosecuted more aggressively than white defendants.

In other words, approach this as if you were a scientist and take the emotion and assumptions out of it.

Re:Scientists Back Kiera Wilmot by Tweeting About All the St... by KirinDave on Tuesday May 07, 2013 @02:37PM (#5669869)
> In other words, approach this as if you were a scientist and take the emotion and assumptions out of it.

It's almost like someone has put together a huge body of data that you cheerfully ignore.

http://sentencingproject.org/template/index.cfm

In the future, I am not your research department. This is a trivial google search for a site that compiles a huge body of data you want. Racism is alive and well in the justice system.

Which is all way off topic from the more important question: why is this curious young girl's life being ruined.

P.S., you are, in my book, not a good person. Just thought you should know. Mostly because of your willful ignorance.