I'm not sure what you mean. What I was getting at, is that there's a popular meme you often hear repeated, which I don't know if I accept or not, which claims something like "everybody who (tries to) commit suicide is really just crying for help".

I don't have a stand on that, because I think it's probably true more often than not, but I believe some people actually do simply make a rational, calculated, carefully weighed decision concluding that the pain they are experiencing outweighs whatever joy they experience, and decide to end the suffering. IOW, I'm one of the people who think that - for some people - suicide is a reasonable choice. And who am I to tell them it's not?

We all have our own crosses to bear, and empathy or no, none of us can ever truly understand someone else's pain, IMO.