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Re:We Need A Standard Layered Image Format by chc on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @08:29PM (#5635758)
Hacker News does everything it is supposed to according to the CSS standard to indicate to your browser that the area is scrollable. In fact, it is obvious that the site is doing enough because the browser does in fact render the area as scrollable. The fact that your browser doesn't do anything to visually indicate when a region is an independent scrollable area is entirely Apple's fault.

You can argue that websites should be written to conform to the standards-violating behavior in Apple's browser rather than actual Web standards, but we already went through that with Microsoft in the '90s and early 2000s, and I don't think you'll find a lot of people who are eager to return to those days. Browser-makers are expected to conform to the standard, not vice-versa.

I am sympathetic to the fact that this is inconvenient, because I use Apple's software too. But it's Apple that's responsible for the inconvenience, not all the web designers who are correctly following the standard.

Re:We Need A Standard Layered Image Format by eridius on Wednesday May 01, 2013 @01:31AM (#5636622)
Hacker News does everything correctly to _functionally_ indicate that the area is scrollable. It does absolutely nothing to _visually_ indicate this. And the CSS spec does not require that the browser visually display scrollbars.

So no, Hacker News is in the wrong here. They're relying on the assumption that the user is using a browser that renders scrollbars, and providing a sub-par experience for any browser that does not. This is somewhat analogous to a site that only renders correctly in IE.

Re:We Need A Standard Layered Image Format by crgt on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @09:24PM (#5635941)
Huh. So do we build sites for users or to satisfy specs?
Re:We Need A Standard Layered Image Format by PavlovsCat on Wednesday May 01, 2013 @02:34AM (#5636782)
Do "we" make browsers to be usable, or to be pretty? If any random hack came up with that idea, it would be a random, hackish idea. But because it's Apple we have to abide? I dare say nahhhh...