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Re:The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever by tptacek on Saturday April 27, 2013 @10:23AM (#5617822)
Taibbi writes from a script. Particularly with his finance posts, the formula is: comic invective, appeal to populism, name drop, comic invective, name drop, attempt to explain technical concept he himself does not understand, name drop, appeal to populism, comic invective.

People want him to be right, because who the hell doesn't want to read a fun piece on how corrupt Wall Street is? (I think Wall Street is pretty corrupt, B.T.W.)

He was much better writing about politics, because most of the time you can write a competent political story without needing to explain a technical concept you yourself don't understand. Name dropping, appeals to populism, and comic invective are entirely adequate to that task.

He's good at sports writing too, because he understands the technical concepts he wants to explain.

But with finance writing, Taibbi has set a needlessly high bar for himself, and he doesn't just routinely fail to clear it; he seems to be running under the bar.

Re:The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever by justsee on Saturday April 27, 2013 @11:26AM (#5618014)
You also seem to follow a script when you veer away from technical topics.

If the topic is political or economic and likely to provide a runway for some sort of frustration-at-establishment chatter, I regularly expect you to appear and engage in some sort of character-assassination, poisoning-of-the-well job as you've done here.

That second para is especially representative of the in-character mode of your responses: one of a reasonable, empathetic, "hey, I don't like it either!" stance followed in short order by some content-free opinion shaping.

You're clearly capable of more insightful commentary in technical matters (a minor understatement) but beyond that the risk of your comments going tabloid editorial increases quite a bit.

All quite odd behaviour when you combine it with your tendency to guide others in appropriate commenting approaches (as you've done further down this thread.)

Re:The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever by tptacek on Saturday April 27, 2013 @11:46AM (#5618080)
Even more ironically, you're engaging in approximately the same behavior I wrote about downthread.

What's especially telling is that 5 (admittedly short) grafs, you've failed to address a single point I actually made, but rather tried to summon a gestalt of all my comments so you could tackle them in the abstract.

Want to take another stab at responding? I'm all ears.

Re:The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever by justsee on Saturday April 27, 2013 @11:53AM (#5618099)
Intentionally ironic, in that I held myself to the same standards as your comment: ad hominems mixed with personal insight and no content.
Re:The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever by tptacek on Saturday April 27, 2013 @12:03PM (#5618134)
What you're saying here is that the right response to what you believe is a superficial criticism of a Rolling Stone article (or the collected works of its author) is a direct attack on the HN commenter who wrote it.

Why not make your argument more credible by taking down my supposedly superficial comment? Wouldn't that be a much more interesting and constructive argument?

Re:The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever by joulethief on Saturday April 27, 2013 @12:21PM (#5618181)
He didn't "attack" you, he simply noted your usual character assassination attempt whenever someone speaks out against some establishment. Speaking of irony you didn't even bother to challenge any of the article's arguments. This reminds me of the time you attacked Dan Lyon for writing this article https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4866914

You didn't challenge any of his points or reasoning there either. Interestingly enough you did exactly what you seem to be condemning the above poster for: summon a gestalt of his points in the article and attack them in the abstract.

Re:The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever by tptacek on Saturday April 27, 2013 @12:26PM (#5618198)
Matt Taibbi and Dan Lyons. An astute HN reader trying to suss out my petty little scheme might instead point to the gun next to the barrel where I'm getting you to stack the fish.

Would you like to stick up for Taibbi's financial reporting? I think I've set you up nicely for a takedown comment: as someone observed downthread, all I've done is make a bunch of assertions without supporting evidence.

Re:The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever by joulethief on Saturday April 27, 2013 @12:49PM (#5618261)
>Matt Taibii and Dan Lyons.

Who they are and the difference caliber or prestige has nothing to do with the argument. I only mentioned that situation to further illustrate the trend justsee was pointing out, which you still have not bothered rebutting. You're still using worthless ad hominem attacks, just as you do whenever an article promotes a crowd vs. establishment discussion.

To be honest his comment is pretty accurate; you regularly come along for these types of articles as some sort of watchdog, and predictably attack the author's character in some way to discredit the article (especially if its generally criticizing the SV startup scene), instead of directly attacking the author's arguments and reasoning, which would be much more meaningful. I'm curious as to why?

Re:The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever by cia_plant on Saturday April 27, 2013 @11:17AM (#5617980)
Taibbi's pieces are often brimming with excerpted interviews, specific names and places and trials, details of hearings and indictments. It may be that he is catastrophically misinterpreting these sources, but he obviously makes an attempt to get into the details of what he's talking about. Your criticism of him contains zero examples, and is basically just "trust me, this guy sucks".
Re:The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever by tptacek on Saturday April 27, 2013 @12:01PM (#5618124)
I could come up with specifics but that would basically be me trying to make myself look smarter than I am, so instead: why not go track down what Matt Yglesias said about the piece he wrote before this most recent one, or what Felix Salmon wrote about the parking meter story, or what Kevin Drum wrote about the vampire squid piece, or Tim Fernholz at TAP wrote about the Obama piece, or Dan Primack's takedown of the Bain Capital piece? Most of these writers, by the way, are political allies of Matt Taibbi, who said in his Reddit AMA that he checks in with Zero Hedge regularly.
Re:The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever by rayiner on Saturday April 27, 2013 @11:21AM (#5617990)
He takes stuff, particularly hearings, trials, and indictments, wildly out of context. As in the example above, procedural and technical judgments (the law doesn't apply to this situation) become moral judgments (the people who lost money are undeserving of relief).