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Re:The next generation of Instapaper by elithrar on Thursday April 25, 2013 @06:40PM (#5610416)
Instapaper is nice because I felt like I was paying a reasonable amount for an app that I use regularly.

Pocket, although having its own benefits, is free. Any service with ongoing costs (parsing servers) that charges nothing for their app has me questioning their longevity.

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by mtgx on Thursday April 25, 2013 @11:40PM (#5611354)
I don't understand why people care so much about the "longevity" of an app that at most saves their data for a week, like Pocket, or something like Google's Keep, a notes app.

Who cares if it dies in 2 years? You might be switching through 3 other alternatives by then anyway. And you can still save your week worth of data if they announce the shut down anyway.

It's not like say an e-mail service, where you might actually want to keep your years worth of data.

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by incision on Friday April 26, 2013 @12:46AM (#5611511)
>I don't understand why people care so much about the "longevity" of an app that at most saves their data for a week, like Pocket, or something like Google's Keep, a notes app.

I have thousands of items in Pocket going back a year and a half.

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by mtgx on Friday April 26, 2013 @12:51AM (#5611526)
And I have hundreds of "important" bookmarks in Chrome that I'll probably never check again.

Let's face it, if you aren't reading it in the first week, you probably never will - except maybe that one article you plan on reading when you're travelling a few weeks from now. But even then you might forget all about it, with all the news coming it.

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by incision on Friday April 26, 2013 @01:08AM (#5611577)
>And I have hundreds of "important" bookmarks in Chrome that I'll probably never check again.

That's a pretty terrible analogy.

What I have in Pocket is more than a bunch of bookmarks, it's a local archive of everything I've added. I can read it in a nice flowing text format and benefit from limited search functionality. I can reference anything in there anytime whether I have connectivity or not, whether the source page still exists or not.

>Let's face it, if you aren't reading it in the first week, you probably never will - except maybe that one article you plan on reading when you're travelling a few weeks from now.

Stop projecting your habits and use case onto everyone else.

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by kayoone on Friday April 26, 2013 @06:06AM (#5612198)
if you have unread items going back for more than a year, chances are you are adding more to the list than you are removing. I guess hes right, i have observed this in myself and many colleagues from the days of delicious onwards. You bookmark/tag alot of interesting stuff because you are absolutely sure you will need it again and then forgetting about it after several weeks/months never looking at it again. In the case that you need that knowledge again, you just dig it up on google (if you can remember it).

Might not be true for you, but i am sure its pretty common behaviour. I have given up on read-later apps because stuff just kept piling up. Noawadays i just leave the tabs open until i have read something of interest and if i figure that it isnt interesting enough after a few days i just close the tab and forget about it. That way i am managing my to-read list on a daily basis and it doesnt go back later than a week. With chrome sync its also easy to grab the open tabs on my other devices and read them there.

That being said things might be different if i had a long communte or had more freetime after work, but in that case i am usually reading a book, if i am reading anything at all. Giving the brain some relaxation time from the constant bombardment of tech "news" is nice as well.

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by incision on Friday April 26, 2013 @07:58AM (#5612451)
>If you have unread items going back for more than a year, chances are you are adding more to the list than you are removing.

I think you're missing the point and stuck in the use case of these tools as simple bookmarks or reading lists.

I have little reason to remove anything, ever. It's all being stored for free/negligible cost. I can reference it whenever and wherever I like.

>In the case that you need that knowledge again, you just dig it up on google (if you can remember it).

Right, I can search Google's index how ever many billion pages, hoping that what I want still exists online and that I can remember something specific enough about it to filter the specific needle I want out of the world's largest haystack.

Alternatively, I can just search the store described above which holds point in time copies of the relatively tiny subset of things I've actually seen or at least found interesting in the past. I can use utterly generic, half remember descriptions like "database" and get just a few matches rather than the 764,000,000 of Google.

>Might not be true for you, but i am sure its pretty common behaviour.

That's fine, I understand how people might choose to use these service differently than I do.

This tangent started with mtgx claiming an inability to understand why anyone would care about longevity or keep years of data in such tools.

I'm trying to help with that understanding.

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by capedape on Monday April 29, 2013 @03:13PM (#5628047)
I've done this in Instapaper. I have many thousands of articles (thanks to the instaright Firefox extension) going back years. Clearly, this is what Clay Shirky says is a filter problem, not a problem of too much information. I no longer horde in instapaper like I used to but I would like to at least be able to be able to export what I have since I started using it and even transfer the FULL archive to pocket. Probably doesn't apply to many, but: "If you have more than 2,000 articles, only the most recent 2,000 will be included. " I not only bought Instapaper, but I've been a paid subscriber since the beginning (so I can search my archive for potential research) and it would be nice to download a full archive, but nope, I can't.
Re:The next generation of Instapaper by jvzr on Friday April 26, 2013 @07:35AM (#5612392)
I think OP's saying he has read archives going back 1 year and a half. Not unread, read.

I too have hundreds of read articles sitting in my Instapaper's archives, and a few dozens of favorites. I'm more concerned for them than the unread articles.

If Pocket goes away in the blink of an eye, what becomes of your archives & favorites?

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by incision on Friday April 26, 2013 @08:32AM (#5612540)
>If Pocket goes away in the blink of an eye, what becomes of your archives & favorites?

Seems like the type of thing to be proactive about it.

Pocket has an API that you could use to sync with another similar service , or roll something of your own. They also have a simple export which provides a list of source URLs for what you've pocketed.

I've set Kippt up to retrieve from Pocket and used to the manual export to load things into historious [1].

As a last resort, on the Android version all the offline assets and pages can be found here [2].

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5610492 2: com.ideashower.readitlater.pro/files/RIL_offline

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by gurkendoktor on Friday April 26, 2013 @01:53AM (#5611690)
I only read when I'm on holidays. I also keep warm clothes around even though I won't need them for another 6 months :) There are many ways to enjoy "slow IT".

That said, moving away from Instapaper was some grunt work but not too hard - I've opened every link in a tab and used hotkeys to add them to my new weapon of choice (Reading List).

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by monsur on Friday April 26, 2013 @05:15PM (#5615545)
This is absolutely right. We are drowning in an tidal wave of books/articles to read, videos to watch, podcasts to listen to etc. Trying to keep up is a fools' errand we must admit to sooner or later. The best we can do is give in and hope to drink a few sips from this ocean.
Re:The next generation of Instapaper by incision on Thursday April 25, 2013 @08:58PM (#5610899)
>Pocket, although having its own benefits, is free. Any service with ongoing costs (parsing servers) that charges nothing for their app has me questioning their longevity.

Prior to the name change, Pocket offered a $3 "Pro" version.

I'm guessing that Pocket means to be acquired eventually.

Pulse runs a free app parsing/serving from App Engine and took in $9.8M in funding before being acquired by LinkedIn for $90M.

Pocket runs a free app parsing/serving from EC2 and has taken in $7.5M in funding.

I was able to see who would be interested in Pulse and why pretty early on. I'm not sure about the same for Pocket.

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by SoftwareMaven on Thursday April 25, 2013 @11:32PM (#5611339)
I'm guessing that Pocket means to be acquired eventually.

And those acquisitions work out so well for the product, especially smaller, more niche products.

If they've taken that much money, they are going to have to provide a strategy to monetize. If they are doing it for free, it means they are selling analytics about what you are reading to somebody else.

For myself, I'll pay for the app.

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by EwanToo on Friday April 26, 2013 @04:50AM (#5612027)
Most paid for apps (though not all) sell exactly the same analytics that free apps do - why turn away an extra revenue stream?

Unless the developer has committed to not selling your data, they probably are already doing it.

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by Aissen on Friday April 26, 2013 @08:13AM (#5612492)
Exactly.

I had invested time in Spool, and when they got acquired by Facebook, all I got was a bookmark list in a mail attachment and no more service. No readable article, no offline video, etc.

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by fakeer on Thursday April 25, 2013 @11:47PM (#5611373)
Even paying apps go for for a sale, less often though. For me Pocket is so seamlessly integrated with my online presence that it will of course to see it go(considering acquisition will kill it or somehow make it unusable - ad etc) but the ease/swiftness makes to very hard to switch to any other service paying or non-paying.

One example is their Android focus which, sometimes I funnily think, developers like Marco despise(no, read ignore :P ).

Re:The next generation of Instapaper by eropple on Friday April 26, 2013 @03:43AM (#5611882)
Instapaper's Android app, while not done by Arment himself, is probably the most pleasing non-Google Android app that I've used. He may not care about the platform, but he didn't push a poor Android product.
Re:The next generation of Instapaper by mikec3k on Thursday April 25, 2013 @09:00PM (#5610907)
I subscribe to Instapaper but I switched to Pocket because I prefer their UI. I keep begging them to take my money.
Re:The next generation of Instapaper by runjake on Thursday April 25, 2013 @06:45PM (#5610442)
You should be questioning how they make money instead. Because if it's free for you, you're probably the thing being sold in that scenario.
Re:The next generation of Instapaper by ruswick on Thursday April 25, 2013 @08:40PM (#5610852)
Indeed. Many companies are hesitant to fully activate their advertising apparatus, and go years without making revenues (eg. Tumblr). I worry when I see a company that isn't attempting to accrue meaningful revenues.

I'm actually quite happy when I see that companies begin serving ads substantially.