Sun's open source boss slams App Engine's Java support

Re:Sun's open source boss slams App Engine's Java support by jrockway on Monday April 13, 2009 @04:57PM (#560485)

If I were Sun, I would probably be complaining about how nobody is going to buy Sun hardware anymore when they can just run their Java apps on GAE for pennies a day.

The incompatibility actually helps them -- if you want "real" Java, you are going to have to get a "real" server.

Finally, I don't blame Google for omitting core classes. Java's standard library is some of the worst code I've ever seen -- the interfaces are horrible (do they even know what OOP is?), and the implementation shipped with the open source JDK looks like it was hacked together by some high-school kids on crack. Google is smart to kill this shit off.

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Re:Sun's open source boss slams App Engine's Java support by papaf on Monday April 13, 2009 @05:44PM (#560569)

At the time Java was first released and MFC was the most widely used OO framework, Java's standard library was like a breath of fresh air. OO has had a few different fashions since the first release of Java but, in my opinion, the base Java API has stood up well. What's so horrible about it?

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Re:Sun's open source boss slams App Engine's Java support by jrockway on Monday April 13, 2009 @07:54PM (#560730)

Look at URLConnection for example. Ignoring the Factory Factory Factory aspect, note that the object starts off as a request object, and then magically becomes a response object when you magically happen to call certain magical methods. Magic sucks, you should start with two objects, a user agent and a request. Tell the user agent to execute the request, and you get a response back. This is easier to implement, easier to use, and easier to reuse... but Java instead decided to go with a non-OO API encapsulated in 150 different objects.

Not good design.

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Re:Sun's open source boss slams App Engine's Java support by zcrar70 on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @05:46AM (#561239)

java.util.Date, java.util.Calendar

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Re:Sun's open source boss slams App Engine's Java support by cvboss on Monday April 13, 2009 @09:06PM (#560807)

I reckon people who buy SUN hardware will never-ever run their app on GAE for too many reason.

I do agree however there is nothing wrong in omitting core classes, I think SUN started it with idea of lightweight client java a while ago :) And such an initiative should really have come from SUN many years ago, giving java developers cheap hosting.

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