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Re:Startup idea list by rms on Monday September 17, 2007 @09:47PM (#56031)
Sit your grandfather (or person of similar age) in front of OSX by himself after only an hour of instructions and see what happens.

It's intuitive to those of us who grew up with computing. To everyone else, it isn't.

Re:Startup idea list by Leon on Tuesday September 18, 2007 @10:54AM (#56302)
My grandfather can't understand how his DVD player has more than one disc. He just doesn't have any the technical ability nor does he really care about anything but how to get email. I've tried multiple operating systems and instructed him on computer use. He's just from another generation (he's really old), even though he has an engineering degree from Notre Dame.

It would be nice if there was some OS that would boot up and nicely display like 4 or 5 choices to do; flickr, email, internet, news aggregation, and storage. Have the system handle everything else and they could actually enjoy it.

Re:Startup idea list by rms on Tuesday September 18, 2007 @12:50PM (#56357)
Yes. I applied and got an interview with YC for what was more or less this idea... among other reasons for our rejection, one was that we failed the flexibility test by strongly disagreeing with Paul Graham's suggestion that the simplified subset of our problem to focus on was an "internet picture frame with email" which conflicted with our stated goals of not trivializing the internet appliance.

I would go so far as to not give the user access to low level storage, but only give them access to their files in the context of specific tasks that used them (unless they were in advanced mode). Email me if you'd like to talk about this more.

Re:Startup idea list by randallsquared on Monday September 17, 2007 @10:11PM (#56042)
It worked out pretty well for my father, who's 80. It probably ruins the experiment that he had been using (well, failing to use) Windows for years previously, however.
Re:Startup idea list by rms on Monday September 17, 2007 @10:40PM (#56055)
How does he do with the mouse? From my experience, people over a certain age just never quite get the mouse. Touch screens are the ideal solution, touch pads would be fine except the ones on laptops are too small, and trackballs are a whole lot better than mice because they let you seperate the action of clicking and moving... too often I see older computer users accidentally moving the pointer when they want to click.
Re:Startup idea list by randallsquared on Monday September 17, 2007 @11:05PM (#56079)
He understands and uses the mouse; his problem with that is not the concept, but tremor. The first mouse he ever used at home was a trackball, but he hasn't had much problem switching to the scroll-ball mouse that came with his Mac Mini.

On Windows, he never seemed to get the difference between situations calling for left click and those calling for right click, so the single-button mouse was a relief.

Re:Startup idea list by cosmin on Tuesday September 18, 2007 @12:03PM (#56329)
Touch screens can be good for a lot of things but a desktop just isn't one of them unless the monitor is laid flat on the desk. Having to reach out your arm to the monitor constantly is not comfortable.
Re:Startup idea list by rms on Tuesday September 18, 2007 @12:36PM (#56353)
That's true. The ergonomics of a laptop touch screen/tablet PC are better.
Re:Startup idea list by falsestprophet on Monday September 17, 2007 @10:49PM (#56063)
I agree. I built my grandparents a computer from scraps and it ran swimmingly, but they never could manage the mouse and the home country just doesn't look the same on a cathode ray tube. They were politely disinterested.
Re:Startup idea list by rms on Tuesday September 18, 2007 @12:34PM (#56352)
Someone modded most of the posts down in this thread, which is just odd. Ideological disagreement about the ease of use of OS X?
Re:Startup idea list by mpc on Monday September 17, 2007 @10:05PM (#56039)
There is a learning curve no matter what. Otherwise you have a tutorial and not an OS.
Re:Startup idea list by rms on Monday September 17, 2007 @10:43PM (#56057)
By focusing on simple yet powerful tasks, like photos, news, and email and making the entire GUI these tasks in blindingly large fonts, you can make the experience obvious to uninitiated users.