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Re:Traceroute from a Norwegian Airlines airplane by mseebach on Tuesday April 23, 2013 @10:58AM (#5595490)
I wonder if it would be practical to install upwards facing antennas on cell tower and then have a tracking dish on planes track these to cut out the satellite when over (populated) ground. If a line-of-sight microwave link could be established, it should be possible to have high-bandwidth low-latency connectivity in the air.

What is the effective beamwidth of a microwave antenna that needs to maintain a 50-100km link? Would the ground antennas need to be tracking as well?

Re:Traceroute from a Norwegian Airlines airplane by state_machine on Tuesday April 23, 2013 @12:26PM (#5596110)
This (Air-to-Ground) is what Gogo does, using EV-DO Rev A.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gogo_Inflight_Internet

Last couple flights I've usually seen latency between 300ms and 3500ms, 8-10% packet loss. They also seem to use Squid proxy, which doesn't understand WebSockets.

Re:Traceroute from a Norwegian Airlines airplane by jof on Tuesday April 23, 2013 @11:54AM (#5595898)
This is _exactly_ what Aircell does in the US. I'm not sure what spectra they're using, but the bandwidth would likely be quite variable, as planes with non-directional antennas will interact with one another over wide areas. Weather could also play a part, depending on the frequency.
Re:Traceroute from a Norwegian Airlines airplane by toomuchtodo on Tuesday April 23, 2013 @11:38AM (#5595786)
Tracking aircraft is not practical unless you're going to use a phased array, and the problem you'll run into then is how large the cells are when you're pointing towards the sky, reducing spectrum separation.
Re:Traceroute from a Norwegian Airlines airplane by mseebach on Tuesday April 23, 2013 @11:58AM (#5595934)
Why is tracking aircraft impractical? In university I was involved in building an antenna that would track a LEO satellite (a bit crudely, though), with a pass taking about 15 minutes - that's pretty similar to a pass by a full-altitude aircraft. The main impracticality I can see is that you'll need an antenna pr. aircraft in range.
Re:Traceroute from a Norwegian Airlines airplane by hga on Tuesday April 23, 2013 @12:32PM (#5596141)
If you want to track a number of aircraft, and not require an antenna/dish per each or have resultant mechanical breakdowns, phased array antennas are the best solution.
Re:Traceroute from a Norwegian Airlines airplane by toomuchtodo on Tuesday April 23, 2013 @01:03PM (#5596368)
Thanks for responding.