Re:Ask HN: Is an Autonomy Fund a viable business model?
by carterschonwald on Sunday April 21, 2013 @12:51PM
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Yes it's bad, but it's still less shitty than Hollywood accounting based revenue sharing. This is also not suitable for the vc round sized capital, but rather the micro seed /angel money as done by the YC heterlogue that Michael is suggesting.
Re:Ask HN: Is an Autonomy Fund a viable business model?
by argonaut on Sunday April 21, 2013 @08:18PM
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Uh... the fact that this arrangement is less shitty than $OTHER_INDUSTRY really has no relevance to my point. Seed and angel economics mirror VC economics. This arrangement sucks for seed/angel investors as well.
Unless the fixed return is something intolerable to the startup, such as 100% return, that would make a terrible investment. Even ignoring the go-big-or-go-home type of startup in SV, the vast majority of startups that seek to make profits from day one do not succeed - they'll fail and the investors lose the loan. The only situation in which this makes sense is for the loan to have a very very high return - usually a multiple (1x, 2x, etc), since investors will need that rare winner to subsidize the losers. This is how the entire VC industry in SV works, and it definitely still applies even if you want to make a profit-first company, it just applies to a sightly lesser degree (usually for VCs in SV, one company in their entire portfolio will need to deliver 50x+ return). This is also bad for the startup because now they have this loan that they have to pay back in X years that has a huge interest rate.
Essentially, this is bad for investors because investors get all the downside, but their return is quite capped.