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Re:Bob's wife Carla lends a speedy mind by brudgers on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @07:47AM (#5557522)
An excellent series of articles that were clear, concise, and entertaining.

The only cryptologic issue I take is that to some degree the analogy illustrates [rather than breaking down] the security for security's sake commonly argued in regard to passwords.

Imagine Alice decides to found a crossword puzzle startup. Password recovery is far more important than protecting passwords. The answer for 2A is not important enough to justify a computationally intensive salt and hash. She is responsible for entertaining customers, not running a bank.

Re:Bob's wife Carla lends a speedy mind by venomsnake on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @09:21AM (#5557857)
Password protection is like vaccination. Herd immunity is as valuable asset as individual.

Since the majority of people still have the security setup of "one or two emails for most of the things and a set of 2-3 close passwords"

The moment you have a leak of 200 000 000 email password pairs the whole industry is in trouble not only the site that leaked them.

Currently there is semi random brute forcing - just taking already cracked lists and mutating them to guess the password.

Re:Bob's wife Carla lends a speedy mind by mikeash on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @09:41AM (#5557955)
This assumes good password hygiene on the part of all of Alice's users, which is a bad assumption. In reality, a large proportion of Alice's users will use the exact same password for her site as they use for their bank. She owes it to her users to protect that data.

Best password practices do not have to be user hostile. You can still allow a password reset while doing things properly. Yes, you can't e-mail them their old password, but you can set a new one for them, which is nearly as usable.

Re:Bob's wife Carla lends a speedy mind by brudgers on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @02:43PM (#5559980)
I'm assuming no such thing. I am also not assuming that Alice is responsible for protecting the entire internet.

Your response is exactly in line with my comment - security for the sake of security and unfortunately the analogy of crossword puzzles does not break down there.

Assuming that Alice is responsible to protect her user's data - and there is a comparison with Facebook, Google, and other companies which sell user data, here - Alice's responsibility is to take reasonable steps based upon the nature of the data she is protecting.

Until I started pointing this out on HN, my HN password was "hackernews" because there is nothing here that I really care about protecting, and in my opinion, nothing worth PG implementing complex password protection over.

Re:Bob's wife Carla lends a speedy mind by mikeash on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @03:39PM (#5560336)
My point is that the data she is protecting is not just the crossword data, but that it also includes the users' passwords. Protecting that data is always worthwhile, because those passwords are so frequently reused. This is not "security for the sake of security". It doesn't matter if the passwords are protecting the most unimportant thing on the planet, the passwords themselves still need to be protected.