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Re:IRS claims it can read your e-mail without a warrant by brigade on Wednesday April 10, 2013 @02:51PM (#5527209)
No, that's stupid. That's equivalent to claiming telephone calls aren't private, because they're transmitted in the clear by third party exchanges accessible to authorized users. (email servers generally aren't publicly accessible, rather they're only accessible to authorized (registered) users)
Re:IRS claims it can read your e-mail without a warrant by rayiner on Wednesday April 10, 2013 @03:04PM (#5527307)
You don't lose your reasonable expectation of privacy by making something publicly available. You lose it by exposing it to a third party (note that e.g. nothing prevents the recipient of your letter from handing it over to the government without a warrant). When you send an e-mail, you make the complete clear text of the e-mail accessible to a third party.

The extension of 4th amendment protections to telephone calls dates to a time when it was a direct analog connection between your phone and the other person's phone. But Google/Gmail is not just a dumb wire. It's an intermediate third party that can read your email and scan it to sell you ads.

Re:IRS claims it can read your e-mail without a warrant by Cadsby on Wednesday April 10, 2013 @04:05PM (#5527750)
> You lose it by exposing it to a third party

It's true that this has always been the position of the Federal government, but that argument has always seemed pretty weak to me, and I don't accept it on principle, no matter how pervasive it's become. People don't expect their email to be read by others, especially the government, period. The reality that they are in fact doing this anyway just means citizens have to push harder to affect a change in the law.

This isn't a new fight. The government literally used the same exact argument when telephones were invented. It took years to work in protections for phone calls, I see no reason why the same can't be done for new modes of communications like email.

Re:IRS claims it can read your e-mail without a warrant by mpyne on Wednesday April 10, 2013 @10:06PM (#5529510)
> People don't expect their email to be read by others, especially the government, period.

That is inconsistent with the wide usage of GMail, which (robotically) reads your mail to give you directed advertising. So GMail users at least cannot claim that they expect no one else to read their email as they've opted-in to having their mail read by running the service at all.

Re:IRS claims it can read your e-mail without a warrant by kyrias on Wednesday April 10, 2013 @03:49PM (#5527625)

  email servers generally aren't publicly accessible, rather they're only accessible to authorized (registered) users
Yes, sending email requires authorization to the SMTP server but MTA to MTA communications (as in when your mailserver actually sends your email to the recipients mail server) are clear text and can easily be intercepted.

The difference between telephone calls and email is that you generally don't have access to the things you need to listen in on a telephone call, but email you only need to have access to one of the routers that it's routed through

Re:IRS claims it can read your e-mail without a warrant by bradleyjg on Wednesday April 10, 2013 @05:03PM (#5528159)
The SMTP protocol is used both from client to server and from server to server. RFC 3207 (2002) complaint MTAs communicate with each other over a TLS (i.e. encrypted) connection.

Complaint MTAs include: sendmail (>= 8.11), postfix (>= 2.2), MS Exchange (>= 5.5). Patches have existed for qmail to add support since 1.01, though they aren't in the main distribution for reasons that I'm sure make sense to djb.

Re:IRS claims it can read your e-mail without a warrant by Genmutant on Wednesday April 10, 2013 @05:38PM (#5528383)
But many modern telephone calls are not really on the old telephone line, but get converted to VOIP calls somewhere along the line.