>...men should, as the relatively privileged parties, not be whiny at either the shift toward balance or the small anti-male inequities that crop up temporarily along the road to equity.

Translated from feminist rhetoric: Men have no right to complain about discrimination against them.

shanelja and nawitus, I think abundance of people with similar views to wpietri highlights how real your points actually are.

I think everybody has a right to complain. E.g., the recent rich people complaining that their tax rates might become almost as high as their secretaries? They're totally within their legal right to complain.

But I have the legal right to say that they're whiny idiots when they appear unable to notice or acknowledge the context of their complaint. If you're going to cry, "have sympathy for meeeeeee", you really should make sure you've demonstrated some sympathy for others.

I hope you realize the irony in your last sentence.

I don't see why past & present inequality justify anything and everything that is bad for men/whites/whatever. Don't you see a difference between e.g. hiring policies that specifically advantage women and objecting to services that are potentially vicious and hurtful specifically to men? (I'm not convinced lulu is the latter, but assume for the moment it is).

I don't think one inequality justifies another.

I do think that to a privileged person, any move toward equality feels like inequality, because what they notice is things getting worse for them.

I also think that people emerging from oppression are liable to cross the line of exact equity from time to time. An as long as the swings are small, I'm ok with that. Specifically, as a guy, I'm saying I don't mind brushing off something that might be a bit of anti-guy sexism. Because that one small nettle-sting is nothing in proportion to the benefits I've received, or to the scope of the historical wrong that we are righting.

I don't know enough about Lulu to have an opinion on it. And for the record, I'm opposed to hiring practices that advantage women. I am strongly for, though, active practices to eliminate the disadvantage that women face.

You're enforcing the stereotypical gender role of men: "Don't whine, that's unmanly, don't complain, deal with your own problems". That's pretty offending to me.

I want people to treat other people as individuals, not representative of their gender. I don't care about my own gender role. I don't want people to say "man up" to men if I face some injustice. And I don't want (the reverse I guess) it happen to women either.

Your path doesn't lead to equality, it just slows down progress.

I was echoing the words of the comment I was responding to. As I already explained to you, I am in favor of gender equality. Your high drama here comes across to me as concern trolling, especially given the other things you have posted.

Not getting upset at inequalities means accepting them. This is the road to not getting rid of them.

Not at all. I forgive people their errors all the time without accepting them as good or normal.

For example, if somebody is tired and cranky and says something mean, I don't have to get upset at it. I can let it go, and treat them compassionately. I think that is precisely the road to getting rid of meanness.