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Re:Stop working so hard by neilk on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @02:53PM (#5488233)
> Empirically

Citation needed.

There are studies out there showing that productivity is proportional to days spent on the problem, not hours. It's likely that for a knowledge worker, sustained schedules with long workdays actually reduce average productivity.

http://www.jamesshore.com/Articles/Business/Software%20Profi...

There may be some exceptional people who can defy this rule, and it's possible they are concentrated in startups, but I'm dubious.

Re:Stop working so hard by webwright on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @04:16PM (#5488735)
"There may be some exceptional people who can defy this rule, and it's possible they are concentrated in startups, but I'm dubious."

Right. They are concentrated at the top. Here's one study (doesn't include work time at home or weekends): http://www.people.hbs.edu/rsadun/CEOs/presentation.pdf

It makes logical sense-- combine the ability to work long hours (rare) with talent and you will blow the normal fatigue-able people out of the water in terms of output and (in a sorta-meritocracy) rise to the top.

Re:Stop working so hard by zeidrich on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @09:13PM (#5490374)
It looks like that study shows that the median CEO works 50 hours per week, with 10 of that spent in travel or eating.

To me that sounds like a very typical work week without spectacular overtime, crunch, hustle, whatever.

It says that some CEOs work more hours, but doesn't correlate that with higher productivity.

It says that few work less than 40 hours per week discounting meals and travel.

50 hours per week is 10 hours per day. Maybe like 8 to 6. Anyone complaining about expectations for crunch time would relish hours like that.

Re:Stop working so hard by PAULHANNA84 on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @11:19PM (#5490781)
CEO...sure, but how about a founder? Entrepreneur? CEO who is the original founder? I could guarantee the figures are far different.
Re:Stop working so hard by thedragon4453 on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @11:34PM (#5490816)
I know an entrepreneur that bought a well known franchise. He told me he worked without a day off for the first year before finally taking a Sunday off. My gut was to call bullshit. Employees around from that time confirm. He's very successful today.

That's gotta fuck up the average.

Re:Stop working so hard by shadowmatter on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @03:51PM (#5488581)
It's been awhile since I've read it, but I remember reading something along those lines in "Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us" (http://www.amazon.com/Drive-Surprising-Truth-About-Motivates...). The thesis is that our motivation to do things is along a spectrum of intrinsic (for the love of the work) vs extrinsic (e.g. money). Generally the former yields better results. Some studies even showed that paying people to do things they love can be detrimental, because you're now adding an extrinsic motivator to something that they are intrinsically motivated to do, thereby making what they love feel like "work."
Re:Stop working so hard by timr on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @10:26PM (#5490594)
"Citation needed."

That's what "empirical" means: a statement based on observation or experience.

C'mon folks...it's not clever or insightful to "refute" personal opinions by pointing out that they're opinions.

Re:Stop working so hard by mertd on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @11:56PM (#5490891)
That would be anecdotal. "Empirical evidence" implies some structured observation happened and somebody documented it.
Re:Stop working so hard by elviejo on Thursday April 04, 2013 @01:26AM (#5491132)
I had that same confusion. In spanish: Empirico means based on experience / anecdote. In english: Empirical means based on scientific studies.

Maybe the previous author had the same confusion.

Re:Stop working so hard by jaimebuelta on Thursday April 04, 2013 @05:06AM (#5491661)
In spanish, "empirico" means exactly the same thing. Based on well tested observations, not your just "personal experience". Sure it is a little overused some times, but it still means some degree of confidence greater that "in my experience"
Re:Stop working so hard by elviejo on Saturday April 06, 2013 @12:01AM (#5502580)
According to Real Academia Española... "It is relative to experience"

http://lema.rae.es/drae/srv/search?id=hTXhUCMS1DXX2DI3MWRd empírico, ca. (Del lat. empirĭcus, y este del gr. ἐμπειρικός, que se rige por la experiencia). 1. adj. Perteneciente o relativo a la experiencia.

Re:Stop working so hard by timr on Thursday April 04, 2013 @09:09PM (#5496288)
"'Empirical evidence' implies some structured observation happened and somebody documented it."

No, that's not what it means at all:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/empirical

None of the three definitions mention "structured observation", and the second definition directly contradicts that assertion.