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Re:Ayn Rand's Literature of Capitalism by rms on Saturday September 15, 2007 @06:05AM (#54876)
>you'll have a tough time coming up with a definition of "advancement of human civilization" that everyone can agree on

No, I think it's easy, we've got a great way to measure progress. We call it "power." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

Re:Ayn Rand's Literature of Capitalism by uuilly on Saturday September 15, 2007 @06:19AM (#54878)
Where does Brittany Spears fit in the Kardashev Scale? There a millions of people that think she is more important than energy consumption. Should we put them all in the gas chamber?

Even if we let them live, Kardashev, brilliant though he may be, has hardly come up w/ a universal set of values that everyone is, should, or will eventually strive for.

The best you can do is to absorb his ideals, spread his word and create technology that furthers his goals. And in doing that you become an Ayn Rand follower.

Re:Ayn Rand's Literature of Capitalism by gwenhwyfaer on Saturday September 15, 2007 @09:12AM (#54894)
> Where does Brittany Spears fit in the Kardashev Scale? There a millions of people that think she is more important than energy consumption. Should we put them all in the gas chamber?

Only if we can use them as fuel.

Re:Ayn Rand's Literature of Capitalism by gwenhwyfaer on Saturday September 15, 2007 @01:42PM (#54950)
(You guys do get that I'm joking, right...?)
Re:Ayn Rand's Literature of Capitalism by rms on Saturday September 15, 2007 @10:36PM (#55115)
These crazy Rand zealots have no sense of humor.

:P

Re:Ayn Rand's Literature of Capitalism by uuilly on Sunday September 16, 2007 @06:01AM (#55227)
You're probably right. By definition we take ourselves too seriously. But I think what you're seeing has been a long time coming. The Rand Zealots in the tech world have been lurking in the corners of Slashdot, Digg and Reddit listening to a cacophony of post modern, no up or down, no left or right emotional bullshit. I for one am sick of armchair socialists, open source evangalists and peddlers of western guilt. We like our one's and zeros but there is a lot we have to put up with to hang. I think this thread has released the Ayn Rand hounds.

Political disagreements stem from philosophical disagreements. If two mathematicians were arguing about geometry and one assumed that parallel lines never met and the other assumed they did they would not have a meaningful conversation. The problem with most conversations is they mostly deal with surface issues. Clinton or Obama. Bush or Kerry. Blah or Bleh.

Amen to Hacker news for getting to the heart of the matter. And to the the non-Rand-ers, apologies for our intensity and contrarian views. But this conversation will be good for everyone...

Re:Ayn Rand's Literature of Capitalism by gwenhwyfaer on Sunday September 16, 2007 @06:35AM (#55232)
Admittedly it wasn't a very good joke. I could have put it a lot better.
Re:Ayn Rand's Literature of Capitalism by rms on Sunday September 16, 2007 @06:39AM (#55233)
I took it as an irreverent answer to uuilly's ridiculous question.