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Re:The Talent Shortage Myth and Why HR Should Get Out of the... by potatolicious on Tuesday April 02, 2013 @11:41PM (#5484089)
That website isn't worth the electrons it's made of. I've used it in three moves now, and its indices have never been anywhere close to reality.

I just looked up their latest indices for Seattle, San Francisco, and NYC (143, 199, 169, respectively) - all cities I've lived in before, and these numbers bear no semblance to reality.

According to this, living in NYC is ~18% more expensive than Seattle - which is an absolutely laughable statement if you've ever lived in both places - 80-100% would be more like it. Similarly, it claims that SF is ~18% more expensive than New York, which a pretty absurd claim itself. There are places in SF more expensive than NYC, but overall it's still substantially cheaper.

Measuring a bunch of medians that sound like they relate to cost of living, and then throwing them in a blender for a weighted average... turns out the number that pops out the other end is more or less meaningless.

If you're being paid California-level salaries in, say, Chicago or Austin - stay put, the money is better where you are. If you're being paid the standard Chicago-area salary, moving to California may be an overall gain even accounting for cost of living adjustment.

Not to mention that some cities have more scalable living costs than others. There are more than a few software folks here in NYC who are cutting their costs to the bone and exploiting the salary gap to put a lot of money in the bank (for eventual startups, or moving to a cheaper part of the country, whatever). The problem with a median measure in a world with irregular distributions is that it ends up describing no one individual in the set very well.

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Re:The Talent Shortage Myth and Why HR Should Get Out of the... by potatolicious on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @12:05AM (#5484159)
I was living in SF until less than a year ago - the housing market is insane, no doubt, and it will probably hit NYC-levels at some point in the near future.

But that isn't right now, I do not believe. There are corners (particularly SOMA) where cost of living far outstrips even the glitziest corners of Manhattan, but those are few and far between. In general, living in SF is still cheaper than living in Manhattan or the "near" neighborhoods of Brooklyn and Queens (i.e., not a 45-minute train ride from everything).

And therein lies the problem with these cost of living calculators - they have no awareness of equivalencies and idiosyncracies of these places. Why are we rolling Staten Island into this calculation when comparing SI to anywhere in SF is plain lunacy?

Similarly, the lifestyle between the Outer Richmond and North Beach are very different - as are rent prices. But yet these websites essentially add them up and divide by two, as if that number represents something meaningful.

If you want to evaluate cost of living differences between two cities, indices are probably the worst way to do it.

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Re:The Talent Shortage Myth and Why HR Should Get Out of the... by potatolicious on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @12:23AM (#5484226)
$1850 (or even $2K) is a pretty tough task in Chelsea nowadays, and Chelsea is still one of the cheaper neighborhoods. The UES is also fairly inexpensive by Manhattan standards, but a studio under $2K is still pretty unrealistic.

They exist, but they are few and far between. If you offered me a $1850 studio in Chelsea my first thought would be "what's under the floorboards". If you told me it's a $1850 1BR I'd check your temperature. The only places you'd reliably find studios < $2K would be Chinatown and the LES in general - and there are many reasons why those places are inexpensive.

I'm not sure if Manhattan is as cheap as you remember...

Hell, even Brooklyn is ridiculous now. Williamsburg is more expensive than most of Manhattan, Park Slope slightly cheaper but not by much. DUMBO, get outta here, DUMBO is giving TriBeCa a run for its money. $1850 for a studio is unrealistic in all of the above places, though if you're looking in the winter and have luck on your side, possibly doable in not-Park-Slope-but-lets-pretend areas.