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Re:The problems with url shorteners by gojomo on Friday April 03, 2009 @05:06PM (#545596)
I agree, and two further failure modes introduced by URL-shortening-middlemen that are hinted at but not explicitly mentioned by Joshu are:

* political censorship pressure on the URL-shortening service

* terms-of-service frame-ups, where a legitimate URL is reused in a spam sense to trigger its disablement

(I mentioned these in my case against URL shorteners, ["TinyURLs are evil URLs"|http://gojomo.blogspot.com/2006/02/tinyurls-are-evil-urls.ht...].)

Re:The problems with url shorteners by endtime on Friday April 03, 2009 @05:25PM (#545634)
>political censorship pressure on the URL-shortening service

Couldn't this be mitigated simply by establishing credibility for a given service, in the sense in the sense of making it known to be hosted outside politically supressive jurisdictions or by parties resilient to political pressure? For example, I would trust a URL-shortening service hosted by The Pirate Bay or Wikileaks to be free of political censorship.

Re:The problems with url shorteners by joshu on Friday April 03, 2009 @05:26PM (#545640)
Both of those have gotten shut down in various locations at various times.
Re:The problems with url shorteners by endtime on Friday April 03, 2009 @05:28PM (#545646)
Sure, shut down...but they've never published/made available politically censored content.
Re:The problems with url shorteners by there on Friday April 03, 2009 @05:26PM (#545638)
and what if you live in a country that blocks that url-shortening service hosted by the pirate bay or wikileaks?
Re:The problems with url shorteners by endtime on Friday April 03, 2009 @05:27PM (#545644)
Well, then you've got bigger problems than URL shortening. I don't mean to be flippant; if you're in that kind of country then maybe you can't even trust your normal DNS.
Re:The problems with url shorteners by there on Friday April 03, 2009 @05:33PM (#545659)
my point (and i think that of the person you originally replied to) was that if you have to go through a url-shortening proxy to get to a page that is not blocked, but the url-shortening site is, you will be blocked from accessing a lot of content simply because you don't know its real url.
Re:The problems with url shorteners by endtime on Saturday April 04, 2009 @01:17PM (#546452)
Ah, perhaps I misunderstood. I thought political censorship pressure meant the government pressuring the URL-shortening service to change the target of short URLs that people try to use to point to politically disagreeable content.
Re:The problems with url shorteners by dkasper on Saturday April 04, 2009 @02:44PM (#546533)
Or if your school's webfilter blocks tinypic and some of the other url shorteners. It's one of the most annoying things about trying to read tweets or reddit these days.
Re:The problems with url shorteners by joshu on Friday April 03, 2009 @05:25PM (#545637)
bonus points for raising these issues before Twitter brought them to the forefront.